"Jihad": A few things don't add up...?

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I know it's early days and we don't have much info to go on about the killer at the Manchester synagogue. But this BBC news article is very confusing.

He's described as a "35-year-old British citizen of Syrian descent" who "was granted British citizenship in 2006 when he was around the age of 16" ... my maths is shit, but 2025 minus 2006 = 19...? Other articles says he was a minor when he was given citizenship.

Apparently he was "on police bail after being arrested on suspicion of rape at the time of the killings" but "was not charged with the offence."

His parents, understandably, have made a strong statement distancing themselves from his actions, but the article goes on to say:

A post on his father's Facebook page, which has been verified by the BBC, appears to praise the 7 October attack by Hamas.
... The post reads: "The scenes broadcast by the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades showing a group of fighters storming an occupation army camp with simple means, balloons and motorcycles, prove beyond any doubt that Israel is not here to stay.
"Men like these prove that they are Allah's men on earth, regardless of who leads them, they are the true compass for men confident in their victory, even if their resources are few."

It also says his father is a surgeon... and that "Jihad" was his birth name.

I'm not sure where to begin processing all this information, if it's true. Quite surprised to find it reported by the BBC to be honest.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0q7y72kppgo

Your family member wasn’t Jewish were they ?

They are 12! I’ve always offered for the parent to come in and have a cup of tea the first time a friend comes to play. Dozens and dozens of friends have done this over the years. The Muslim families (excepting the one who brought both parents and stayed for 2.5 hrs) decline. It’s more than just being uncertain about a new friend.

That's quite odd. My DC go to their friends houses who are not Muslim and they come to ours. It's never been an issue.

I know my parents were definitely more reserved but as I said, they had the same attitude about me going over to Muslim friends too.

No - and I am sorry that it looked like I was implying being anti vax was anyway similar to choosing to carry out heinous and abhorrent acts.
I think in this case I mention, the ethics of the role outweigh personal considerations - I would like to think that’s normally the case.
I’m not sure how we can moderate potential risks where it may not - membership/allegiance to terror organisations seems reasonable in many occupations but I guess most wouldn’t really mention that up front.
Ah - love a Friday chippy - enjoy!

You do need to ask yourself where you are getting your “factual” information about other cultures and races from 🙄. Obviously Jihad has a normal ordinary meaning which isn’t the one you’ve been exposed to by the self serving media.

I am worried about the doctor/ people in authority thing. There was a poster the other day who spoke openly about dislike for a community they specifically dealt with (on here) Intolerance is one thing but we trust the people who are dealing with us when we are vulnerable. They do need to be vetted properly.

If the person who carried out this attacks family also Lean that way or have possibly stoked the flames of someone mentally unwell they should face serious consequences.

What dubious "factual" information about other cultures and races am I expressing on this thread?

So he knew. Wow

Is he one of the ones arrested then, it mentioned 3 people have been arrested

The thing about any set of values, whether or not it involves belief in God, is that all sorts of other things ride on its coat tails though. So on one level the invasion of Iraq was about removing Saddam Hussein. On another level it was about imposing Western control in the Middle East. So, a mixture of belief, politics, self-interest and so forth. I can't think of an ostensibly religious war that is different. I've got no issue with someone who says Western values are best. I do have an issue with the idea that they're less belligerent as I don't think the recent historical record shows this. The US, the UK etc have pretty much always been at wae with someone in my lifetime.

No, don't apologise, I understood what you meant. I'm just being a bit pedantic about trying to say what I mean as there is great potential for the thread to go haywire like so many others!

The way they just announced on the news "may have been influenced by radical Islamic groups"...

No shit. Like this was a surprise. Oh and the rape... watch it there will be plenty more to come.

Yeah, in another headline news, bears were revealed to shit in the woods.

He also seems to have a wife and child and was living with his mother having split up

Has someone discovered the Pope is Catholic yet?

And how many of them live in countries with freedom of religion and respect for women, gay men and lesbians?

True - Arabic, jihad literally means "striving" or "struggle," often in the sense of striving for a good cause or self-improvement, not only in the military sense. Because of this broader meaning, it has been used as a personal name.

I think one thing about the left that is quite striking is how many of them are, at worst, total misogynists, and at best, have very little regard for women's rights. It's been one of the most depressing realisations of my life.

So as you were asking for a source,what are you thoughts now you have seen sources.

So if someone makes a simple error in adding up that means you disregard anything else they might say? How convenient for you, saves you needing to actually make any kind of argument.

Brown Hindus, Sikhs would have faced the same racism and why are their attitudes different ?

It does.

Ok I agree with you except it kind of mirrors what’s happening in other European countries and it’s useful to see how they have dealt with problem radicals.

There are approximately 2 billion Muslims to provide context. Some will be idiots and believe anything on the internet. Just like non Muslims.
I'm also sorry that you experienced both incidents. Both men sound awful.

BBC are notorious for spreading lies. I suggest The Guardian if you want accurate reporting.