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İf you're against the anti immigration rhetoric in the news...

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Welikebeingcosy · 26/09/2025 20:59

Will you join me in hanging a flag in solidarity of the people who make up our great diverse country?

I had an immigrant grandfather so I've just ordered a flag from that country to hang from my window, as well as one from the country my daughter was born in. Please note, this isn't an idea to vandalise anything or anywhere and hang flags from places other than our own homes. This also isn't an anti UK flag post, but rather, let's showcase all the backgrounds which make the UK what it is, including the UK flag.

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CatrionaBalfour · 26/09/2025 22:54

Uggbootsforever · 26/09/2025 22:50

Amazing that you ‘love’ somebody flying the Pakistani flag - a country that is about as far from tolerance, religious freedom and equal rights for women as you can get - but can’t bring yourself to fly the USA flag presumably because you think they are also very far from the above? How do you square that one?

Excellent point 👌

Nellodee · 26/09/2025 22:58

I saw someone flying a smiley face flag on my way to work and it made me smile. Maybe that’s the antidote we need (though due to my age, I did also think “aciiiiiiiiiiid!!!”)

Welikebeingcosy · 26/09/2025 23:31

Uggbootsforever · 26/09/2025 22:50

Amazing that you ‘love’ somebody flying the Pakistani flag - a country that is about as far from tolerance, religious freedom and equal rights for women as you can get - but can’t bring yourself to fly the USA flag presumably because you think they are also very far from the above? How do you square that one?

İf you read my comment again you'll see my thought process ended with me deciding to fly the USA flag, because a flag to myself, is not about current or recent politics of a country but the people, their language, food, music etc, and that's my personal belief so I'm celebrating that.

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Uggbootsforever · 26/09/2025 23:31

Welikebeingcosy · 26/09/2025 23:31

İf you read my comment again you'll see my thought process ended with me deciding to fly the USA flag, because a flag to myself, is not about current or recent politics of a country but the people, their language, food, music etc, and that's my personal belief so I'm celebrating that.

But you believe the England flag is racist?

Welikebeingcosy · 26/09/2025 23:32

Uggbootsforever · 26/09/2025 23:31

But you believe the England flag is racist?

Have I shown anywhere where I say that the England flag itself is racist?

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InWalksBarberalla · 26/09/2025 23:37

Why wouldn't you fly the flag of the country you live in alongside the other 2. Surely that is a stronger message.

Uggbootsforever · 26/09/2025 23:37

Welikebeingcosy · 26/09/2025 23:32

Have I shown anywhere where I say that the England flag itself is racist?

The fact you want to stage some kind of bizarre counter protest by erecting flags of any country but the UK is a good indicator?

Welikebeingcosy · 26/09/2025 23:43

Uggbootsforever · 26/09/2025 23:37

The fact you want to stage some kind of bizarre counter protest by erecting flags of any country but the UK is a good indicator?

You don't want me to fly a flag of the country which makes up the rest of my ethnicity?

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FrondsofFriday · 26/09/2025 23:43

I don’t want to fly any flag, I don’t like them. I’d happily put something in my window though that meant “Racists can fuck off”… any ideas?

Welikebeingcosy · 26/09/2025 23:45

InWalksBarberalla · 26/09/2025 23:37

Why wouldn't you fly the flag of the country you live in alongside the other 2. Surely that is a stronger message.

Because they're being requested to be flown for a political agenda I don't agree with. I could definitely do so for the next euros or something, which is a traditionally English custom to follow. I'd rather say actually I'm not fully English and many of us aren't, here's our heritage.

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Sunflower459 · 26/09/2025 23:47

usedtobeaylis · 26/09/2025 22:00

I'm so tired of flags in all honesty. I don't know what to do to show solidarity in my community and with my neighbours but it's not flags.

Same. Flags are too much a target of negative co-option for me now. Too much corrupted symbolism. I get the argument about reclaiming these symbols, but on a practical level I’m not sure any kind of flag has the effect of making immigrants feel supported or welcome, really. I think the problem is far too profound for that now. Where I am the Saltire could be a support for Scottish independence or sport or an anti-immigration cry nowadays, and no one really knows which unless they know the person flying it. The OP’s is a nice sentiment, though. It’s not the sentiment I object to.

Friedshed · 26/09/2025 23:48

Nayyercheekyfeckers · 26/09/2025 22:30

Or you could just hang up an England Flag, OP to show that British pride doesn't just belong to those largely white males on council estates that are associated with the right. Surely that's the most united thing to do, which also takes the wind out of the sails of some.

You know there's nothing wrong with living on a council estate. Sneering at the white working class is part of what's got us here.

Welikebeingcosy · 26/09/2025 23:50

Friedshed · 26/09/2025 23:48

You know there's nothing wrong with living on a council estate. Sneering at the white working class is part of what's got us here.

Also I live on a council estate so the message would be lost if I hung up an England flag...

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Welikebeingcosy · 27/09/2025 00:01

I was just googling other flags/banners of welcoming immigrants and saw something similar!

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Welikebeingcosy · 27/09/2025 00:05

This is a great one, for those in the 'reclaim the flag' camp :)

İf you're against the anti immigration rhetoric in the news...
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EmeraldRoulette · 27/09/2025 00:19

I'm just imagining if one of my neighbours put one of those up

I would feel like I couldn't talk to them anymore - but presumably it's me you're trying to get rid of

I'm a woman of colour who needs some right wing friends. Honestly, I don't know if people are lying, but all I meet is people like the OP on this thread. Considering where I live, it doesn't really make any sense.

what a fucking mess. < sighs deeply.>

Welikebeingcosy · 27/09/2025 00:25

EmeraldRoulette · 27/09/2025 00:19

I'm just imagining if one of my neighbours put one of those up

I would feel like I couldn't talk to them anymore - but presumably it's me you're trying to get rid of

I'm a woman of colour who needs some right wing friends. Honestly, I don't know if people are lying, but all I meet is people like the OP on this thread. Considering where I live, it doesn't really make any sense.

what a fucking mess. < sighs deeply.>

Maybe you could join a local right wing political group if you're feeling isolated and want to be around people who align with your beliefs? I'm sorry if people 'like me', make you feel uncomfortable, I hope you find your community and feel better soon.

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EmeraldRoulette · 27/09/2025 01:40

@Welikebeingcosy sorry I'm feeling massively ranty and that wasn't clear at all

I am meeting a lot of people like you. We are getting on great. It's fine. I just feel very isolated because of some of the things they say. Yes, I probably do need to join some groups but weirdly and unfortunately, they all seem to be in London. I've not long escaped from London so not much inclined to trek in in the hopes of finding like-minded people.

The person who actually made me feel uncomfortable was the one who I think probably thinks I'm a racist. But I have no idea what definition of racist anybody's working with these days.

Hence, I feel we're in a massive mess

And I've probably got my threads confused because now I'm not sure which thread I posted on saying that me and my mum are probably considered racist now for daring to question the immigration policy.

SammyScrounge · 27/09/2025 02:34

Uggbootsforever · 26/09/2025 21:56

Does Pakistan think of all the different histories that made up its country when raising its national flag? Would you expect them to continually acknowledge the contribution of other countries by raising a Bangladeshi, Afghan, Tajik, Uzbek, Turkmen, Indian, Sri Lankan and Burmese flag every time it puts the Pakistani flag up?

Or is it only the UK that makes a forced declaration of gratitude to every nation with whom it has interacted throughout history in order to put its national flag up?

Loved this post.n

TheExcitersblowingupmymind · 27/09/2025 05:30

It was great to see when the England women's team had their parade because that was a celebration and I'm saying that as a Scot.
Raise the colours is very different, anything that TR is involved with will have racist connotations.
Britain First donated money for flags .A neo fascist group says it all really.

Neemie · 27/09/2025 05:45

What about racist immigrants? Do they have to go as well?

Underthinker · 27/09/2025 08:03

What about the racist immigrants?

Uggbootsforever · 27/09/2025 08:51

Welikebeingcosy · 26/09/2025 23:45

Because they're being requested to be flown for a political agenda I don't agree with. I could definitely do so for the next euros or something, which is a traditionally English custom to follow. I'd rather say actually I'm not fully English and many of us aren't, here's our heritage.

So fly it and create your own agenda. Putting up flags from other countries just to agitate is just silly, and will increase tensions further which ultimately as a white person you won’t suffer from. If I was non white and worried about the escalating tensions the last thing I would want would be well meaning white people further inflaming to make themselves feel good.

YorkshireGoldDrinker · 27/09/2025 09:04

Is there any particular reason why you're choosing to do this now when you could have done this many years ago? I'm not trying to be goady. It's just the timing of this seems quite weird, like it's in response to something. Do you know a lot of meaningful things about the country your grandfather was from?