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Use of paracetamol in pregnancy and autism: Trump

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MidnightPatrol · 22/09/2025 11:46

Trump is expected to announce later today that there is a link between paracetamol use in pregnancy, and autism.

As with his approach to covid, scientists have reacted with dismay at this development - a major Swedish study published in 2024 looked at 2.48m births and found no link.

A bit of a worrying development in terms of medical misinformation, pregnant women’s access to pain relief, and those with autism (and their parents).

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hamstersarse · 22/09/2025 12:42

MidnightPatrol · 22/09/2025 12:40

Lots of people are still very sceptical about vaccines and the low uptake rate mean populations in multiple countries (including the UK) are below the levels required for herd immunity.

Only yesterday I saw on here multiple posters advocating that mothers should not get vaccinated in pregnancy - it’s a huge problem, and has emerged ‘grass roots’.

There has been lots of discussion in the US about the schedule and ensuring every vaccine is required.

For example, big arguments about Hep B given to newborns - a disease that is from sex or drug use. I don't know why we give that to newborns tbh, and the actual argument within MAGA is we don't know what the cumulutive effect of so many vaccines on the immune system - not that every single vaccine is harmful at all, more there is no research on what a lot of vaccines togther do fo rthe immune system

Fetaface · 22/09/2025 12:46

Dragonasaurus · 22/09/2025 12:41

If I were in America, there is no way I’d risk getting pregnant at the moment!

Women there are also thinking the same hence why the birth rate is falling rapidly there. It is great to watch the men panic about it!

MidnightPatrol · 22/09/2025 12:46

hamstersarse · 22/09/2025 12:42

There has been lots of discussion in the US about the schedule and ensuring every vaccine is required.

For example, big arguments about Hep B given to newborns - a disease that is from sex or drug use. I don't know why we give that to newborns tbh, and the actual argument within MAGA is we don't know what the cumulutive effect of so many vaccines on the immune system - not that every single vaccine is harmful at all, more there is no research on what a lot of vaccines togther do fo rthe immune system

What damage to you think there is to the immune system by giving these vaccinations, given your scepticism of doing it?

Given hundreds of millions of people have had these vaccinations, you would think these trends would be clear…?

Why not just vaccinate people as babies so it’s done - easier to track it’s happened, and sadly babies and children can be exposed to situations in which they get these diseases.

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Serencwtch · 22/09/2025 12:48

Which evidence based scientific journal is he publishing this research in?

TheNameIsDickDarlington · 22/09/2025 12:50

EarthlyNightshade · 22/09/2025 12:37

Have vaccines been ruled out now?

I can't tell if this is a joke.

Vaccines never caused autism. The Doctor (andrew wakefeils i think?) that ran that study was struck off and outed as a fraud.

EarthlyNightshade · 22/09/2025 12:52

TheNameIsDickDarlington · 22/09/2025 12:50

I can't tell if this is a joke.

Vaccines never caused autism. The Doctor (andrew wakefeils i think?) that ran that study was struck off and outed as a fraud.

I was responding to the poster I quoted who said "aren't you glad it's not vaccines?"

Of course it's not vaccines, I was just wondering if that poster agreed with me (they didn't).

MsJinks · 22/09/2025 12:53

I guess there will be a super safe, super expensive alternative then - preferably to wondering what pregnant women won’t be allowed to do in the US soon 😞
I rarely take painkillers but can’t recall so far back - 2 with ND, 2 not anyway. I do have inflammation but not recognised, or impacting on me at least, back then.

samarrange · 22/09/2025 12:53

Trump will presumably announce that "acetaminophen" is the culprit, which for some reason is the name of the same molecule in the US. And every American calls it Tylenol, the biggest brand name there. (I will bet my pension that half of the Trump cabinet has been shorting the stock of the manufacturer of Tylenol for a few months now.) So hopefully the different names might somewhat reduce the effect of the announcement in countries where it's called paracetamol.

Also, if paracetamol in pregnancy is what causes autism, does that mean the MMR jab is OK now? (Sorry, but all I have with the current US administration is gallows humour, I'm afraid.)

Bjorkdidit · 22/09/2025 12:56

dreamingbohemian · 22/09/2025 12:24

Google the lawsuit filed vs Johnson & Johnson, it explains there was a meta study that found some correlation not causation between paracetamol and ND but did not recommend any changes in existing guidelines

For anyone who thinks correlation confirms that there is a risk to pregnant women from paracetamol, this website is helpful in understanding why it probably doesn't

https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious/correlation/2732the-distance-between-venus-and-mercurycorrelates-withthe-number-of-nursing-assistants-in-indiana

cestlavielife · 22/09/2025 12:58

And what is wrong with having asd anyway?
On one end of spectrum the greatest scientific and artistic minds.

diddlysquatagain · 22/09/2025 12:59

User987439 · 22/09/2025 12:21

The most obvious connection is that (undiagnosed) ND mums are more likely to use paracetamol during pregnancy. Autism/ADHD is linked with many chronic pain conditions, autoimmune issues, connective tissue disorders, MH disorders and sensory issues that increase the chances of a mother taking painkillers. Since paracetamol is the only safe painkiller during pregnancy, every pregnant woman will have taken that at some point. It's highly unlikely that any adult human can go 10 months of their life without taking a single painkiller.

That's quite a statement about humans not being able to go without painkillers!

I rarely take them often go years without ingesting paracetamol or other painkillers. Definitely didn't take them during pregnancy.

There is in fact a strong link between using painkillers (some more than others) that taking painkillers actually induces pain - head aches - so having a counter intuitive effect. So I recommend people not to take them unless they have had an operation or have some other serious issue.

It's been known for a long time - this is an old link but lots of newer ones around too. Avoid painkillers if you can!! I'm convinced that's why I don't suffer from headaches or back pain (I'm in my late 50s).

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-19622016

PS - I'm not anti-medication, and am an avid vaccine supporter but the evidence is there that painkillers really shouldn't be used as an every-day med unless necessary. (That doesn't mean I agree with Trump though.)

Woman in pain

Painkillers 'are the cause' of millions of headaches

Up to a million people in the UK are giving themselves severe headaches by taking too many painkillers, doctors have warned.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-19622016

AutumnLover1989 · 22/09/2025 13:00

Same guy that said drinking bleach would cure COVID? 😮🤦‍♂️🤣

flyingsquirrelsagogo · 22/09/2025 13:01

So paracetamol is going to become the next MMR? Women’s won’t take it, so will place themselves and their unborn children at even higher risk.
Saying i despair about what is happening in the States (and thus the world)at the moment doesn’t really explain how this makes me feel.
How did it come to this?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/21/trump-officials-tylenol-autism?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Trump officials reportedly set to tie Tylenol to autism risk

Washington Post says announcement imminent despite guidelines showing drug – known as paracetamol elsewhere – is safe for pregnant women to take

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/21/trump-officials-tylenol-autism?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

CarefulN0w · 22/09/2025 13:02

How dare women in pain take paracetamol? This pisses me off so much. If men got pregnant, it would be totally fine to take opiates for a minor cold, but women have to suffer.

Bjorkdidit · 22/09/2025 13:02

hamstersarse · 22/09/2025 12:36

I am so surprised people are not thankful that someone is trying to find out what might contribute to the increased numbers in ND children.

And aren't you glad it isn't vaccines that they are coming back with? That was the presumption, that RFK was just straight out anti-vax

It is more likely that more people are being diagnosed with autism than rates have significantly increased.

A lot of autistic adults are either undiagnosed or weren't diagnosed until later life. This is not the same as 'the rate of autism has increased'.

dreamingbohemian · 22/09/2025 13:02

RFK Jr does not believe in germ theory. Germ theory! He's a fucking idiot.

diddlysquatagain · 22/09/2025 13:03

hamstersarse · 22/09/2025 12:42

There has been lots of discussion in the US about the schedule and ensuring every vaccine is required.

For example, big arguments about Hep B given to newborns - a disease that is from sex or drug use. I don't know why we give that to newborns tbh, and the actual argument within MAGA is we don't know what the cumulutive effect of so many vaccines on the immune system - not that every single vaccine is harmful at all, more there is no research on what a lot of vaccines togther do fo rthe immune system

Not only caused by sex or drug use btw. And real problem if you get it, and virtually impossible to treat.

VoulezVouz · 22/09/2025 13:03

hamstersarse · 22/09/2025 12:42

There has been lots of discussion in the US about the schedule and ensuring every vaccine is required.

For example, big arguments about Hep B given to newborns - a disease that is from sex or drug use. I don't know why we give that to newborns tbh, and the actual argument within MAGA is we don't know what the cumulutive effect of so many vaccines on the immune system - not that every single vaccine is harmful at all, more there is no research on what a lot of vaccines togther do fo rthe immune system

Hep B is given to newborns as the disease is easily contracted from caregivers as well from their mothers during birth. The idea that it is only from homosexual sex or drug use is an erroneous one spread by anti-vaxxers. Immunocompromised people and pregnant women are also susceptible to Hep B.

lunar1 · 22/09/2025 13:05

Finteq · 22/09/2025 12:04

And if a women has a fever or health problem that means she needs some Paracetamol.

It will likely cause even more harm to the baby if the fever isn't controlled than if the mum took Paracetamol.

I was coming to say the same. Another way to control and gaslight women and put their health at risk.

GAJLY · 22/09/2025 13:05

There was a recent study that does link the two together.

turkeyboots · 22/09/2025 13:07

GAJLY · 22/09/2025 13:05

There was a recent study that does link the two together.

Share the journal link then.

Fearfulsaints · 22/09/2025 13:07

Im curious about this, because I thought there was a known link between fever at certain points in pregnancy and development. Pretty much the only time I take paracetamol is with a fever so id expect that to be a correlation

mumofoneAloneandwell · 22/09/2025 13:09

I cant remember whether I used paracetamol when I was pregnant with my autistic dd 🥺🥺 - i dont think i did

I think of the desperate parents of severely autistic children who have gone to trump for help - this isnt helping anyone

MaurineWayBack · 22/09/2025 13:12

Fearfulsaints · 22/09/2025 13:07

Im curious about this, because I thought there was a known link between fever at certain points in pregnancy and development. Pretty much the only time I take paracetamol is with a fever so id expect that to be a correlation

In that case, it’s not the paracetamol that’s the issue, it’s the fever.

And yes a strong fever during pregnancy can have severe impact on the baby/foetus.
And some viruses are also known to lead to birth defects too.
But that’s not paracetamol

Needmorelego · 22/09/2025 13:13

What was even more ridiculous about the announcement I read a couple of weeks ago (from whichever Kennedy it is was) that in the same announcement he seemed to think that paracetamol and ibuprofen are the same thing.
He referred to "Tylenol" (brand name for paracetamol/acetaminophen) and "Advil" which is Ibuprofen.
He seemed oblivious that they are two completely different medications.