Labour isn't working - Thread 9

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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In the era of the masked singer, strictly etc, Farage probably can get away with a bit more razzmatazz especially the younger groups, people under 35 are much more used to that kind of thing than the over 35s, it must work for their targets.

Agree with much of that 👍.
I will add though if I may, that Rishi didn't stand a chance with the membership. He was seen as the person who stabbed Johnson (with his 80 seat majority) in the back. I also think racism played a part, both in the leadership election, and the general election.
I'm quite glad that Rishi was shoehorned in after Truss. He did a very good job.

Rishi must be feeling quite vindicated by all of the debacle around the ‘simple’ one in one out deal with France. I know I would be! All of the heckling he got for trying to do something.

Yep plus with all the warnings he tried to give about Labour raising taxes etc.

I suspect he and Hunt feel rather vindicated on pretty much everything after the year we've just had.

How depressing

I've said before, we have few statesmen left. The likes of Thatcher, Britten, Lawson and latterly Hunt, Wallace and Raab. People who understand the system.There are very few on either side of the commons who 'get it' apart from the Northern Ireland representative (his name escapes me)

Policymakers urge Rachel Reeves to tax ‘better-off older people’

www.thetimes.com/article/5acc3bff-7a9b-42de-98fb-0b8aa4203431?shareToken=d90b65378fc7499f3270130a2b7aef65

We could have a Politician version of ‘I can see your voice’. People have to pick who they think is the real politician. Based on what they say how they present themselves etc.

That would be a credible social experiment at this point in time. And yes a person like Farage would win the game - gift of the gab, some say charismatic (hmm), much more articulate than others. But nothing lies behind it. Says it all really.

If we could have those things and the foundations to back them up, that’d be great. Clinton, Obama, Thatcher, Reagan, Blair. Where are these people now - whether we like/d their political direction or not. Seems like all we have now is populist dregs.

Exactly. Plus not making it attractive in terms of benefits, housing etc. People come here for those things. And who can blame them. The only thing to do is shut these things down for people not born here / not lived here for xx years. As other countries do without problems. And stop mass distribution of ‘student’ visas, by far the greatest number of immigrants. And no they don’t all become doctors.

Australia used / use the military to stop illegal immigration in ‘Operation Sovereign Borders’. Is this what it’s come to here?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sovereign_Borders

Thanks for the share token @Rivalled

I'm not sure how much they think they can tax off old, wealthy people in one hit to make the kind on 'growth investments' that would turn the finances of the country around. The billions and billions borrowed a year ago didn't touch the sides. It certainly couldn't make up for the pernicious, ideological taxes on businesses.

They need to get a grip of spending before they start taxing everyone and their dog. That's the issue, we are spending too much.

That article is depressingly vague for economists. I suspect it’s an attempt to soften people up for reforms. Do we think they’ll dare to hit private pensions whilst not reforming public sector ones? Only two more months to wait!

Or they could leave older people alone, and stop spaffing money up the wall .
Carbon capture (£30bn) would be a good place to start. It doesn't even work.
Go back to face-to-face assessment for PIP. This would reduce claims overnight.
Remove their boot from the throat of SMEs so we can actually invest and grow.
Stop just throwing obscene amounts of money at the NHS which is quite clearly not fit for purpose in its current form.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2025/sep/12/carbon-capture-the-get-out-of-jail-free-card-that-does-not-actually-work

Yes, the welfare budget is too big and it makes us a poor bet and we are paying for that with our debt repayments. It's not rocket science.

Yes and carbon capture, chagos deal bollocks, chasing businesses out of the country. Are old, rich people going to have pockets deep enough for these self inflicted wounds?

‘Above all, the tax and pension system needs to be rebalanced so that better-off older people, especially those with substantial property and pension wealth, make a much larger contribution to addressing the fiscal pressures that result from increasing spend on the NHS, social care and pensions. These and other pressures on public spending must also be managed in a more sustainable way.’

Funnily enough they don’t define ‘better off’ or ‘substantial’ or ‘pension wealth’.

Yes I forgot about Chagos in my rant.

The truly wealthy can afford good financial advice to keep their assets out of reach. Its the ones who have worked hard for a decent nest egg that will be unfairly hit. It was ever thus. Labour see them as a cash cow to pay for their student ideology.

We’re at risk of inter generational warfare at this point - it’s incredibly unfair to ask pensioners who’ve worked really hard to pay for young people who’ve never worked.

Agree.
This is what Labour do. They pitch one group against another and watch the sparks fly.

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@twistyizzy How's the hangover this morning 😬

The walk in horizontal rain to the horse at 6am sorted it out 🤣 however I am now rotting on the sofa when I should be cleaning the bathroom!

Yep. All of it.

Shouldn't that be rotting on the sofa and scrolling on MN? 😙