Thread 33 Starmer - Gerst Monath

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i think MN is going to need a sub folder for Budget predictions based on Telegraph/Mail headlines. Two months until the Budget and some posters might be peaking too early.

I absolutely agree.

Following Farage's pronouncements this week, his supporters have lost the right to whine about being called bigots. No more guff about being driven to vote Reform by "lefties" being mean to you. It is drivel. If you support this man and his party, you are a bigot.

Incidentally, last night on question time, Lsa Nandy was superb. Tice was a bully who kept talking over her but she held her own and made good points.

The audience didn't like him and were only laughing.

I have seen some reports they are going to lift the 2 child benefit cap but doubt that is what those threads are worrying about.

I don't read many threads at the moment, especially not the ones started by new(ish) posters.

Sky News seems to be thinking there is an GE election soon, busy promoting Farright.

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Farage is messaging that there will be an election next year and where Farage leads Murdoch follows.
He needs to dangle a carrot at his supporters to maintain momentum and to try and bounce Labour in to it. Why Labour would want to call an early election nobody knows.
I rather think it indicates that he doesnt think he can hold his alliance together v other far right parties and perhaps a reinvigorated Tory party under Jenrick (although I'm not quite sure how much of the Tory party will be left by next year).

It certainly smacks of panic setting in on the Reform side. Why would you call an election during a year when there's council elections taking place?

Well waving a knife around gets you a suspended sentence, so pulling people off ladders is probably an all expenses holiday and lifetime pension

You most certainly need ID to be employed.

Depends on who's doing the employing.

To distract from their racist anti vacc rhetoric?

Scared of the so called progressive coalition (Lab, Lib, Green)?

Scandal incoming?

I have a suspicion that he thinks if he can persuade enough people that an election is due, they might get angry when one isn’t called!
The Tories messed with the election cycle so comprehensively 2015, 2017, 2019 and changed leader so often that maybe some people think that is the norm.

I have a suspicion that he thinks if he can persuade enough people that an election is due, they might get angry when one isn’t called!

There was a similar vibe with the Blair->Brown transition

However as the Tories have shown, you don't need to have an election when you change leaders.

I think that’s exactly it @Notonthestairs. People who don’t follow politics so don’t have an idea of how the system is supposed to work think it’s the right/done thing to change government - helped by the fact that each of the Tory MPs tended to speak and suggest they were a new Government rather than a continuation of the old.
Labour has no need to call an election and can’t be forced to. Farage knows this. He’s angling for more Farage Riots because all he knows how to do is disrupt.

But it’s different when a Tory does it!

Drifting sideways, I see the Kneecap "terrorists" case has been thrown out because the CPS are as incompetent as you'd expect them to be.

Now personally I'm a little underwhelmed with the faux hysteria over middle eastern affairs. However the lack of consistency and pointed agenda alone make me sympathetic to whoever the state is oppressing today.

On a totally idle banter note, I wonder if the UK laws on hate speech and all that good stuff work if the speech is in other languages ? Having seen adverts in newsagents windows in the 80s in Urdu, Hindi, Gujarat and Farsi that could have said anything (no Google translate then), it does pique my interest.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce846r2drg8o

That thread is hilarious, no clue at all!

Yes, I hope he is too.

Sir Menzies Campbell has died.

I'm guessing that the Farright strategy is to ramp up the rhetoric so it seems a shoe-in, and when he doesn't win, point to FPTP and claim it's "denying" democracy and try and delegitimize the winnng party if it isn't Reform.

Which explains the sudden radio silence on (ironically) electoral reform. And Reforms avoidance of any engagement with the APPG on electoral reform that should return something within the life of this parliament.

The thing is, I can't see the Great British Public having the attention span for that.

Sad news, RIP

Here’s the BBC report. I’d forgotten about the athlete bit (if I ever knew it). Sir Menzies Campbell: Athlete, lawyer and formidable politician https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckvv2lnvp21o

It’s very sad to see the decent politicians we used to take for granted growing old and dying.

What strikes me about Campbell’s life is the opportunity for social mobility - my Dad and FIL share a similar background to him.
woefully lacking these days.

Yes, I find this, especially within the current political climate