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Thread 33 Starmer - Gerst Monath

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DuncinToffee · 15/09/2025 19:45

Pull up a chair for some friendly chit chat about politics and beyond

Taxes optional but greatly appreciated.

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placemats · 22/09/2025 23:47

Newsnight was good tonight. Great coverage of the bat shit Trump and Tylenol, coverage of the Lib Dem 1st day conference and a report on the nuclear bomb tests on veterans.

Mention of Farage and the announcement today re migrants was at the end when the front pages were looked at. Great last sentence from Victoria Derbyshire.

itsgettingweird · 23/09/2025 05:30

persephonia · 22/09/2025 19:54

Yeah, the "net takers" versus "net contributers" line. You need people in the higher tax band. But you also need people doing the less well paid jobs. They are contributing to the UK in other ways. But if people accept that framing for "foreigners" then the next step is all lower paid workers (non high tax payers) are sponging of the state. And you can cut NHS care, housing benefits, etc.

Very true.

and the reason we have net “contributors” Vs “takers” is nothing to do with anything beyond housing being really expensive and wages being too low.

Someone needs to do those jobs gang dint pay enough and claim UC top ups. I couldn't care less who it is and where they were born - I’d rather the wage was better so they didn’t need to rely on UC which can always be taken away by another governmental reform.

itsgettingweird · 23/09/2025 05:33

DuncinToffee · 22/09/2025 22:31

He is spouting dangerous nonsense about autism and vaccines now, he is putting the lives of women and children at risk Angry

Inject bleach levels of insanity

Eta Trump that is

Edited

I caught some if this in my lunch break and said the same re it being bleach 101 round 2.

Also something about paracetamol and a drug that can cure or almost irradiate autism.

It enrages me.

Saucery · 23/09/2025 06:17

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj07eq5r1zno

Disingenuous springs to mind. Good on those young people. They didn’t pull down the flag on her property, so I don’t know why she’s handwringing about the decline of society. She can’t seriously think all these flags are there to celebrate Olympic athletes and Our Brave Soldiers?

An England flag attached to a lamppost, set against a blue sky with light-coloured clouds.

Flag torn down and burned in Uttoxeter, says Team GB swimmer's mum

Caroline Peaty says two young people removed the flag from outside her Uttoxeter home.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj07eq5r1zno

Piggywaspushed · 23/09/2025 06:48

No, she won't. Presumably they can't find anyone actually famous and admirable to support the flags so they have rooted out their mums instead.

persephonia · 23/09/2025 08:14

itsgettingweird · 23/09/2025 05:30

Very true.

and the reason we have net “contributors” Vs “takers” is nothing to do with anything beyond housing being really expensive and wages being too low.

Someone needs to do those jobs gang dint pay enough and claim UC top ups. I couldn't care less who it is and where they were born - I’d rather the wage was better so they didn’t need to rely on UC which can always be taken away by another governmental reform.

Yeah, wages are too low and housing too high! It's unbalancing the system and reducing the amount of net contributers. But even if that were completely fixed, there would still be some people who took more than they put into the system in tax alone since there'd always be people earning "the least". But even in that perfect world the people not net-contributing in tax are still contributing. If you accept any sort of capitalist system (even a much more controlled one) you would have to accept that. But ironically the same people who whitter on about the 80/20 phenomenon and how inequality is natural every time someone brings up huge pay gaps, seem unable to understand that fact.

PandoraSocks · 23/09/2025 08:54

Saucery · 23/09/2025 06:17

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj07eq5r1zno

Disingenuous springs to mind. Good on those young people. They didn’t pull down the flag on her property, so I don’t know why she’s handwringing about the decline of society. She can’t seriously think all these flags are there to celebrate Olympic athletes and Our Brave Soldiers?

So she doesn't understand the difference in sentiment between flying the flag on private property to celebrate sporting success and the lamppost flags?

Has she been living under a rock? I bet she is a Reformite.

persephonia · 23/09/2025 09:22

In my area people sometime put flags on roundabouts saying "happy 50th Janice" and the council themselves usually remove them after a bit. Proof the council hate birthdays and/or women named Janice.

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SerendipityJane · 23/09/2025 09:50

Piggywaspushed · 23/09/2025 06:48

No, she won't. Presumably they can't find anyone actually famous and admirable to support the flags so they have rooted out their mums instead.

Will Nigel Farrights Dad be standing in at debates ?

("Has the Doctor been ?" "No, but the piano tuner's had a good look")

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PandoraSocks · 23/09/2025 10:00

Oh my. The BP haters will have conniptions.

SerendipityJane · 23/09/2025 10:10

Many years ago, I read a review of a thought experiment about how all poverty could be solved by taking all the wealth and dividing it equally in the world at midnight.

It suggested that after 24 hours, you'd have pretty much the basis for what you have now. Because not everyone would still have that equal share they started with. Because human nature would drive people to spend, save, steal gamble and pretty much be human regardless of wealth.

What this tells us I don't know. However I am always pricked when I discover that despite there being an internet and all the fount of human wisdom out there, it seems nobody seems to have read what I have.

There is a similar situation with the one time Nigel Farage was actually worth listening to. It was many years ago, and remarkably well phrased and articulated and totally and utterly ignored by everyone.It was either an interview or a debate in the early 2000s.

If I were in a mood to try and rehabilitate the cunt, I'd say that he did try and start decent political debate, quickly realised that the establishment was having none of it, and decided to join them instead. Because if you follow the logic of his questioning, it leads you all sorts of very progressive policies.

https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/nigel_farage_854035

Notonthestairs · 23/09/2025 10:39

DuncinToffee · 23/09/2025 09:58

https://bsky.app/profile/bphillipsonmp.bsky.social/post/3lzg4svsanc2g

Kemi Badenoch should throw Liz Truss out of the Tory party. See my letter below

They've kept Truss even when she called for a foreign power to meddle here.
Her backing racist thugs with criminal records isnt a new thing.

SerendipityJane · 23/09/2025 11:29

The Trump/autism thread is "interesting". Absolutely no interest whatsoever in Trumps UK disciples connection.

Which makes me wonder how real the discussion is ?

Notonthestairs · 23/09/2025 11:38

'Interesting' is one way to describe it.

persephonia · 23/09/2025 11:46

SerendipityJane · 23/09/2025 10:10

Many years ago, I read a review of a thought experiment about how all poverty could be solved by taking all the wealth and dividing it equally in the world at midnight.

It suggested that after 24 hours, you'd have pretty much the basis for what you have now. Because not everyone would still have that equal share they started with. Because human nature would drive people to spend, save, steal gamble and pretty much be human regardless of wealth.

What this tells us I don't know. However I am always pricked when I discover that despite there being an internet and all the fount of human wisdom out there, it seems nobody seems to have read what I have.

There is a similar situation with the one time Nigel Farage was actually worth listening to. It was many years ago, and remarkably well phrased and articulated and totally and utterly ignored by everyone.It was either an interview or a debate in the early 2000s.

If I were in a mood to try and rehabilitate the cunt, I'd say that he did try and start decent political debate, quickly realised that the establishment was having none of it, and decided to join them instead. Because if you follow the logic of his questioning, it leads you all sorts of very progressive policies.

https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/nigel_farage_854035

My counter argument to that is how against giving up any of their wealth men like Elon Musk are. By the logic that we live in a meritocracy, someone who was very wealthy could give up their wealth and start again and grow wealthy again. Yet instead, people sit on their piles of gold like Smaug.
It is a good argument for heavier inheritance tax though. But most people really care about being able to give their children a head start. So it might be true, but I dont think that most people think deep down that its true or we would have a very different political system.
I too agree with that Garage quote. Stopped clocks and all that. Unfortunately there is a tendancy to confuse what we can easily measure, with what matters.

Notonthestairs · 23/09/2025 14:21

Nice to hear Wes Streeting categorically deny Trump’s claims regarding paracetamol. Clear & concise.

SerendipityJane · 23/09/2025 14:45

Notonthestairs · 23/09/2025 14:21

Nice to hear Wes Streeting categorically deny Trump’s claims regarding paracetamol. Clear & concise.

His name is going on "the list"

DuncinToffee · 23/09/2025 15:18

Ed Davey is giving his speech at the conference

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ilovesooty · 23/09/2025 15:49

Good speech, on the whole.

DuncinToffee · 23/09/2025 15:55

Worlds apart to the 🍊UN speech of lies

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Notonthestairs · 23/09/2025 16:06

I guess they've worked out that they get more coverage by being negative than discussing the nitty gritty of policy. But there will be time for that.

Davey's had much more prominent spots on tv/radio since he started criticising Farage, Musk, Trump etc.
And frankly its just nice to hear a politician openly say what is downright bollocks.

itsgettingweird · 23/09/2025 16:09

SerendipityJane · 23/09/2025 11:29

The Trump/autism thread is "interesting". Absolutely no interest whatsoever in Trumps UK disciples connection.

Which makes me wonder how real the discussion is ?

I’ve not seen that.

although I need to get my BP above 60 I don’t think I can face it right now 😉

itsgettingweird · 23/09/2025 16:10

Notonthestairs · 23/09/2025 16:06

I guess they've worked out that they get more coverage by being negative than discussing the nitty gritty of policy. But there will be time for that.

Davey's had much more prominent spots on tv/radio since he started criticising Farage, Musk, Trump etc.
And frankly its just nice to hear a politician openly say what is downright bollocks.

Totally agree.

I listen to him because he speaks out and speaks sense and his plans and opinions are clear.

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