Fuck OFF Elon Musk

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Elon Musk appeared via video link today at Tommy Robinson's Racist March wittering on about woke mind viruses and calling for the dissolution of parliament.

All I really want to say is FUCK OFF ELON MUSK.

Do you think if you keep repeating your assertions about the numbers you'll magic up a few more mill?

Of course you're implying that anyone attending the march held by a so called 'racist' is of the same view, because they're 'supporting a racist' in your opinion.

But why would anyone want to be associated with a known racist?

@Lemonandorangecheescake

Thank you for the response. The thing I would disagree with is your statement that
People aren't against others from different backgrounds.

I'm very pleased to hear that you don't have these views - but you must surely recognise that there are many people in the UK who clearly are against others from different backgrounds and there were clearly a number of people on the march with those views, not least of which was the leader Yaxley-Lennon.

I've seen short snaps of this demonstration and 90% of the demonstrators looked like skinheads. It seems there are many lonely, frustrated men in this country and some rich guy from abroad united them in an evil purpose for their own (political) agenda.

The BBC are now saying 'more than 150k'. I guess they couldn't hold the line and had to revise it upwards.

By using 'more than' it covers them from a 'truth' perspective, but I certainly don't think they're reporting honestly.

Yeah, that would be it.

You should pen the next 007 script - on second thoughts, please dont.

From the drone footage it looks to me to about 500-800k? More than 110k, much less than 3m

My theory is 110k is what they expected, which is why extra people were funnelled into side streets and clashed with counter protesters.

My initial reaction was why on earth did police allow counter protesters to get so close, but maybe makes sense if they were expecting a smaller crowd?

The key word there is ‘you’. I don’t see it. Everything I see is people saying how scary and terrible the rise in racism and support for a thug like SYL is. That’s because my friends aren’t racist or supporters of SYL. And the groups I follow/things I read/things I share on SM aren’t racist or supportive of SYL. So the algorithm doesn’t feed me that sort of stuff. Maybe reflect on what you and your friends support/read/share and decide whether what you are getting is balanced (I know mine isn’t - I do have a look at other perspectives, mainly on here, and I’m aware some people disagree with me).

Don't be so silly.

Hi, @GabrielsOboe -

As you are online today and haven’t responded to my question from yesterday, I will ask you for the third time.

At 11.57 am yesterday, you posted that Elon Musk’s speech calling for the dissolution of Parliament was acceptable, because you agree with it. I said that whether it is okay for outsiders to do this must be a question of principle, not particulars.

Do you think it is generally acceptable for outsiders - neither citizens nor residents of the UK - to make speeches for a UK audience calling for the dissolution of Parliament? This would include those whose politics you loathe.

Is that the best you can do?

I'll answer this too, from my perspective.

Why shouldn't 'outsiders' voice their opinions?
Elon Musk can see (ust like others around the World) what's happening to this Country and how it's going into decline.

He's someone with a great platform, and his words help to send a strong message that our Government isn't fit for purpose.
Tell me, what would you have said if EM spoke against Tommy Robinson and the enormous amount of people on the march?

Would you have condemned him and said it was "none of his business because he's an outsider" ? Or would you have welcomed his comments?

I think the latter, and I don't believe anyone if they respond otherwise.

The auestion wasn’t whether he’s allowed to express an opinion. Of course he is. It’s whether it’s acceptable for a foreign national (and I’d like to add - or a British citizen) to call for violent political change, the dissolution of a democratically elected parliament and violent insurrection.
What do you think?

What an odd post. Do you think it’s my job? That other people have a duty to fact check other people’s posts when you can’t even be arsed to fact check your own?

Did he say get your pitchforks out and violently attack others? NO.

Yes he said 'fight', but to anyone with common sense, that means stand up and fight your cause. Have you never heard the saying 'fight for your rights'?

No need to make out he was insinuating people should use violence, just because you don't like it that he didn't speak in favour of the tiny minority of people who can't see, or won't see the huge problems this Country is dealing with.

I wonder how you'd feel if Elon Musk had said Stephen Yaxley-Lennon is a racist and no one should be taking any notice of him?

Musk actually said 'violence is coming' and 'you either fight back or you die', along with calling for the dissolution of the democratically elected government of the UK.

Are you really OK with that?

Another post you should have fact checked.

Musk said ‘Violence is coming, you either fight back or you die.’

Now pretend he didn’t mean violence.

You still haven’t answered my question. I asked whether it is acceptable for an outsider to call for the dissolution of Parliament?

This means any outsider, even someone you loathe, wanting to dissolve a Government you support.

For the record, I think it is always wrong.

i am from New Zealand - Brian Tamaki is a self proclaimed “ bishop” and a complete arseholeejo uses the poorest people to maintain his exorbitant lifestyle . He is complete and utter bastard who using h indigenous Māori culture for his despicable means.

I am sure I heard or read last month that Musk has promised to fund both legal civil and criminal prosecution cases in the UK against the officials and councils ‘who failed to protect the victims of grooming gangs'. Is this true?

Who knows, but his promises are as elastic as Donald Trump’s.

You could have exercised some patience rather than hounding me for an answer

No need to namechange, I have nothing to hide.

I’ve posted on this thread already talking about my experience of being on the counter protest. (From a position of a anti-racist feminist that was in London on the day and felt troubled enough by the racist drunk-by-11am thugs on the tube with me to look for the counter protest, assess it was starting miles away from the other march, and join on that basis). I have no clue why we ended up kettled and held in place for hours in Whitehall, or if it was planned for the other group to be in Trafalgar Square. If so, it was terrible planning and dangerous. And very intimidating.
that aside, I guess being accidentally stuck in the front line for hours, and being of an age where I was brought up during and proudly attended miners marches, I came away with these thoughts.
-people, many young, some very old, were scared. That’s really not ok. It’s not ok to hurtle bottles into crowds, at horses or police. I realise it was a small proportion, but still. People doing that should be arrested.

-both sides chanted ‘Keir Starmer is a wanker’. Interesting shared ground. Showing how polarised our politics now is that the middle ground is hated by many. And how unhappy we are with politicians.
-the trouble, and there was a fair bit of it, was from the same bloody angry white men that are interchangeable through history… they couldn’t give a flying fuck about women unless it meets their agenda. I doubt many here actually would condone how they behaved. I can’t imagine many women ever shouting ‘it’s kicking off’ with such glee, aggression and mob mentality.

-the drive by both sides to push the most extreme narrative (socialist extremism on the left, fascism on the right) leaves most people cold. Why can’t we be honest and say that much of this is deeply uncomfortable? I doubt many actually aligned with Tommy Robinsons racism (I hope not) and I and many others didn’t agree with far left socialism either. Politics needs to be reclaimed by people who can address real concerns affecting people without stirring up such rhetoric. History shows us this doesn’t end well for anyone.
lastly, I really believe if people can’t squarely face Tommy Robinsons views, all of them, and openly agree, they shouldn’t be marching behind him. It’s too serious for that. It fuels the extremism and it’s dangerous. Choose someone more moderate, actually weed out what you want and think is morally acceptable.