No-one is mentioning Trump's stroke

[CharlotteCChapel]

It's like tumbleweed out there. During the live televised 9/11 remembrance service Trump's face drooped on one side.

No-one in the mainstream media seems to be mentioning it.

Ive only seen it mentioned on IHIP and the Meidas Touch.

I'm certainly not #bekind

However when one side constantly berates the other for being " literally nazis" for any reason whatever, I feel I can point out when they fail their very own morality test.

And yes, I see you comparing Trump to Hitler in this post, which sort of proves my point.

Trying to quote a PP
up thread but it won’t work. The comment about him being a white man is racist. . I loathe Trump, but because he had white skin he is not inherently more deserving of death. What a disgusting comment. If someone was described as ‘just another black man’, what do you think the reaction would be?

What is bullshit?

All those are facts

Border hoppers? They work your fields, factories. Are you going to do their jobs?

I can't say that I even slightly disagree with your sentiments about those two men. But when the filthy, cold-blooded murder of a human being because he says some things that some people (me included) find offensive isn't crossing the line of basic human decency, we are living in a dystopia - and unlike the ones in the books, this one's not being imposed by ruling powers but by ordinary people.

People are allowed to be offensive. No one has the right to go through life with the 'right' never to be offended, or the power to censor others. A society that thinks blokes like Kirk had it coming, or that this act was remotely justifiable much less a thing to be celebrated, is completely lost and in a great deal of trouble.

See also the treatment of Graham Linehan and gleeful X posts saying J K Rowling should be next. Who decides what is an acceptable public utterance? What happens when those advocating the silencing of unwanted views want agency over their own critical autonomy, or get sick of being told what to think, or accidentally or unwittingly put their foot right in it, and suddenly find themselves on 'the wrong side of history?' Does it never occur to them to think, 'Hang on a minute. One day that could be me?'

It seems not, and it's a dangerously myopic and short-sighted view. How quickly and conveniently those people have forgotten the gulags and McCarthyism.

And I thought 'cancelling' was bad.

it’s bizarre that it doesn’t matter how horrible a person you are, the moment something goes wrong in your life people seem to forget this fact and even defend the individual.

The amount of virtue signalling on the Charlie Kirk threads is pathetic.

I guarantee that if Charlie Kirk hadn’t been murdered and there was a general discussion about what kind of person he was, the entire thread would be full of what a vile individual he was and what awful opinions he held, quoting passages from the bible condoning the stoning to death of homosexuals, talking about how victims of rape should have to carry and give birth to their rapist’s child. Not one person would be defending those opinions or urging people to be kind.

But now he was shot people who have an opinion on the kind of person he was and the views he held are being accused of wishing him/being glad that he’s dead.

Newsflash, a horrible person didn’t stop being a horrible person, and their views didn’t stop being as abhorrent just because they die.

Charlie Kirk didn’t deserve to be murdered. His wife and children didn’t deserve to witness his murder. And the individual who killed him was wrong to do so.

But it’s possible to acknowledge that fact and still acknowledge that he was a horrible person.

There have been multiple rumours about Trump over the past few weeks, and TBH those rumours likely do have something to do with people wishing he was dead. For lots of reasons.

We have agricultural and other temp visas. And we should require businesses to use them. In fact, Trump needs to make more of an effort to slap stiff fines on those companies.

Anyway, to return to the point of the thread - no, I don't think Trump has had a stroke. He's on the news talking about the capture of the guy who shot Kirk and he looks and sounds just as normal.

Good luck with that.

South Koreans helping to set up a factory have just been deported.

Enjoy picking vegetables.

It's funny how it's those that aren't Christians are now telling Christians what their belief should be. Bonkers. It's interesting debate, but perhaps we should have it on a new thread.

Some Christians take the Bible very literally, some view it is very important but also take into account modern viewpoints, and on abortion and euthanasia the Bible isn't crystal clear. What he does emphasise is the sanctity of life, and that all life is God-given. There's obviously the commandment to not kill, but there's plenty of killing in the Bible, that God didn't seem to have a problem with, so even 'though shall not kill' isn't an absolute.

Respecting the sanctity of life means different things different to people. To me it means quality of life is important too. As is pragmatism. I believe that God gives life and God takes life away, however, that doesn't mean we should reject anything that could interfere with the natural course. Christians get treatment for cancer, have heart transplants, all things that you could argue are interfering with what does originally intended. So no, I don't have a problem with ending it early if suffering is intolerable and nothing can save the person's life.

The essence of being a Christian is not following a set of rules, but faith and personal relationship with Jesus. Generally, most people who have a faith in God will want to do what they believe will please him, hence, most Christians taking a lot of note of the Bible, but precisely how much an the interpretation of that is an individual thing. The key is your faith and relationship not following rules or good works.

Imagine if I had said this about Kate Middleton, Starmer, or Prince Harry, Mumsnet would take it down straight away.

Hypocrisy

No, it's not.
He is white (originally).
I haven't said he does x, y or z because he's white.
The reality is that he has white privilege and male privilege, both of which he routinely abuses. HTH

Do you not think it’s possible that people think it’s completely wrong that a violent criminal is released multiple times and goes on to murder an innocent person AND think it’s completely wrong that a president falsified business records to cover up that he paid hush money to a porn star he shagged in order to stop it impacting on his election campaign.

Why would you assume from anything I’ve said I think there’s anything right whatsoever about a violent criminal being released multiple times?

Only one of us has knowingly supported someone (through words and literal votes) who is a known criminal on this thread and it isn’t me 🤷🏻‍♀️

Neither of them are orange.

No wonder, when it isn't real.

If someone is having bizarre death fantasies and the believing they'll come true they are, at best, indulging in SM grief vampirism and at worst, paranoid and delusional.

There is no they waiting to murder that poster in a gruesome way while they laugh. It isn't real. Its a product of an overactive imagination.

That you would reinforce such delusions is beyond my comprehension.

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There are people here on Mumsnet who think like this. Just saw one in another thread who said that the world is better off without Kirk.

Kirk reminds me of my father and brothers, and they would hold similar views as they are all conservative Christians.

So when I see people literally saying they are glad he’s dead? Yeah, it’s sobering.

Because it’s sobering to realise so many people agree with political assassinations.

Your post is very calm down, nothing to see here.

These type of people would absolutely celebrate if someone they disagreed with died.

I’m not saying they would kill personally.

But they absolutely would celebrate.

I’m talking about the mindset, it’s very prevalent.

Even on this site unfortunately

That a lot of people allign themselves with Kirk’s views on women, gay people, black people is sobering too

Agreed.

A thousand times this, on many threads here lately.

Not a Stroke

Seems the perpetrator isnt so left leaning as trumpus assumed. Sit down people...a young man in a republican family, brought up on guns. Quel surprise!

That's free speech. People will say things that others dont like. And the internet is full of trolls and bots.

So when people gleefully celebrate his death, I feel it, deeply. I feel like they want people like my family dead, and they will be happy about. They’ll laugh about it, the more gruesome, the better.

This^^ is an extreme and unhealthy reaction.

Any thoughts on the young, white, right leaning, gun totting murderer of ck?

People are allowed to feel and express unpleasant things though. That was pretty much Kirk's whole thing.
Now maybe you can reflect on that and think about how black or gay people might feel?