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Labour isn't working - Thread 8

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TheNuthatch · 10/09/2025 10:58

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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A chat thread for those who *don't *like this Labour government. ^The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money....

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Julen7 · 14/09/2025 16:23

TheNuthatch · 14/09/2025 14:32

@Julen7 I use the website archive.ph for reading paywalled articles. Doesn't always work, but handy to have.

Thank you, I’ll give it a try. I had never heard of this.

amicisimma · 14/09/2025 17:02

Julen7 · 14/09/2025 16:23

Thank you, I’ll give it a try. I had never heard of this.

If you have a VPN you might have to turn it off. It doesn't like mine, anyway.

Absentosaur · 14/09/2025 18:43

I now feel about the name ‘Starmer’ as I do about ‘Trump’ - I look wistfully back on the days I’d never heard the name. And now they’re both unavoidable vomit.

On another note (or maybe it’s not..), I see there’s more info come out about the Charlie Kirk killer. He lives with and is in a sexual / romantic relationship with a ‘trans furry’. I shall leave you all so work out what that means. Although to his credit, said ‘trans furry’ is cooperating well with the police.

(Might just be me but that elicits a lovely image)

Interested in this thread?

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Julen7 · 14/09/2025 18:48

Absentosaur · 14/09/2025 18:43

I now feel about the name ‘Starmer’ as I do about ‘Trump’ - I look wistfully back on the days I’d never heard the name. And now they’re both unavoidable vomit.

On another note (or maybe it’s not..), I see there’s more info come out about the Charlie Kirk killer. He lives with and is in a sexual / romantic relationship with a ‘trans furry’. I shall leave you all so work out what that means. Although to his credit, said ‘trans furry’ is cooperating well with the police.

(Might just be me but that elicits a lovely image)

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Yes I have just been reading about the cooperative trans furry 🥴

GabrielsOboe · 14/09/2025 20:34

Julen7 · 14/09/2025 18:48

Yes I have just been reading about the cooperative trans furry 🥴

Thanks.

Give me strength…

GabrielsOboe · 14/09/2025 20:39

Sir Keir Starmer appointed Lord Mandelson as ambassador to the United States without fully vetting his links to Jeffrey Epstein.

Downing Street confirmed the Labour grandee’s elevation to the role before formal security checks on him had begun, The Telegraph has established.
At the time of the announcement in December, Lord Mandelson had only been subject to light questioning on his relationship with the late financier and convicted paedophile.

Prior to the announcement, the Prime Minister was handed a two-page dossier detailing publicly available information about his links to Epstein by the Cabinet Office’s ethics team.

It is understood that Morgan McSweeney then emailed Lord Mandelson with three questions on behalf of Sir Keir relating to how long his relationship with Epstein went on, why he stayed in his house and his involvement in an Epstein-backed charity

DT

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 14/09/2025 20:43

GabrielsOboe · 14/09/2025 20:39

Sir Keir Starmer appointed Lord Mandelson as ambassador to the United States without fully vetting his links to Jeffrey Epstein.

Downing Street confirmed the Labour grandee’s elevation to the role before formal security checks on him had begun, The Telegraph has established.
At the time of the announcement in December, Lord Mandelson had only been subject to light questioning on his relationship with the late financier and convicted paedophile.

Prior to the announcement, the Prime Minister was handed a two-page dossier detailing publicly available information about his links to Epstein by the Cabinet Office’s ethics team.

It is understood that Morgan McSweeney then emailed Lord Mandelson with three questions on behalf of Sir Keir relating to how long his relationship with Epstein went on, why he stayed in his house and his involvement in an Epstein-backed charity

DT

I’m surprised at the Telegraph’s report.

The catastrophic thing for Starmer isn’t that he was negligent. It’s that he closed his mind to the warnings he got. He was appallingly reckless. His judgement is so bad that he isn’t fit to hold office.

GabrielsOboe · 14/09/2025 20:47

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 14/09/2025 20:43

I’m surprised at the Telegraph’s report.

The catastrophic thing for Starmer isn’t that he was negligent. It’s that he closed his mind to the warnings he got. He was appallingly reckless. His judgement is so bad that he isn’t fit to hold office.

I agree his judgement is non-existent.

He is the living embodiment of a stuffed suit, or as my nephew says - he is a NPC (non-playing character…)

His demise is almost painful to watch.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 14/09/2025 20:58

GabrielsOboe · 14/09/2025 20:47

I agree his judgement is non-existent.

He is the living embodiment of a stuffed suit, or as my nephew says - he is a NPC (non-playing character…)

His demise is almost painful to watch.

I get the ‘painful’ thing. I despise Starmer, largely because I think he’s a liar and a fraud, but I cannot help feeling some pity for him.

He has a wife and children. So I feel for them watching the collapse of their husband’s and dad’s ambitions. And for him, knowing how much it must hurt others around him.

He’s still a wanker though.

GabrielsOboe · 14/09/2025 21:08

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 14/09/2025 20:58

I get the ‘painful’ thing. I despise Starmer, largely because I think he’s a liar and a fraud, but I cannot help feeling some pity for him.

He has a wife and children. So I feel for them watching the collapse of their husband’s and dad’s ambitions. And for him, knowing how much it must hurt others around him.

He’s still a wanker though.

Wanker is one noun...

I see him as an idiot of colossal proportions - the longer he remains PM, the more acute the damage he will inflict on the Labour Party (and unfortunately, the UK).

Labour will be unelectable for a multiple of 14 years.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 14/09/2025 21:10

GabrielsOboe · 14/09/2025 21:08

Wanker is one noun...

I see him as an idiot of colossal proportions - the longer he remains PM, the more acute the damage he will inflict on the Labour Party (and unfortunately, the UK).

Labour will be unelectable for a multiple of 14 years.

I chose that noun purely because of the very funny video that got posted here a few days ago.

Other nouns are available.

GabrielsOboe · 14/09/2025 21:15

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 14/09/2025 21:10

I chose that noun purely because of the very funny video that got posted here a few days ago.

Other nouns are available.

It’s a good noun.

Incidentally, Badenoch evidently agrees with your assessment that Starmer is a liar - she went on record, of course.

Oddly, he did not instruct lawyers - even though parliamentary privilege was not in play.

TheNuthatch · 14/09/2025 21:15

GabrielsOboe · 14/09/2025 20:39

Sir Keir Starmer appointed Lord Mandelson as ambassador to the United States without fully vetting his links to Jeffrey Epstein.

Downing Street confirmed the Labour grandee’s elevation to the role before formal security checks on him had begun, The Telegraph has established.
At the time of the announcement in December, Lord Mandelson had only been subject to light questioning on his relationship with the late financier and convicted paedophile.

Prior to the announcement, the Prime Minister was handed a two-page dossier detailing publicly available information about his links to Epstein by the Cabinet Office’s ethics team.

It is understood that Morgan McSweeney then emailed Lord Mandelson with three questions on behalf of Sir Keir relating to how long his relationship with Epstein went on, why he stayed in his house and his involvement in an Epstein-backed charity

DT

I've always thought that Starmer would cling on to power until the next GE, but reading that, I'm not so sure.
I'm beginning to entertain the idea that this could bring Starmer down. Each revelation makes him (and McSweeney) look worse. I don't see how he can recover, particularly with the mother of all budgets on the horizon.

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EasternStandard · 14/09/2025 21:21

The trouble is Starmer and most of Labour doing that sneering arrogance all the time, plus the incompetence, so it makes it harder to feel sorry for them when it goes wrong.

twistyizzy · 14/09/2025 21:21

I can't see how Reeves can present a budget. Whatever she does won't be left wing enough for unions etc but at same time she can't afford to spook the markets + city.
She was speaking to the city last week to try and put a sticking plaster over the fuck ups she's made. If she goes too left wing then bonds will spike (again) along with threat of IMF.
She has nowhere to go.

GabrielsOboe · 14/09/2025 21:22

TheNuthatch · 14/09/2025 21:15

I've always thought that Starmer would cling on to power until the next GE, but reading that, I'm not so sure.
I'm beginning to entertain the idea that this could bring Starmer down. Each revelation makes him (and McSweeney) look worse. I don't see how he can recover, particularly with the mother of all budgets on the horizon.

100%

What would prove a surmountable challenge for you and I, is a land mine for our hapless PM.

Take the budget, to which you refer - let’s say it proves the calamity we all think it will be, gilts blow out etc - Starmer will seek to chuck Reeves under the bus. That step alone is fraught with danger.

If Starmer survives the Mandy fall out (surely, 50/50, if he proves to have been telling porkies), he’s merely one more fuck up away from taking a bow.

The bloke is an utter plank.

GabrielsOboe · 14/09/2025 21:23

EasternStandard · 14/09/2025 21:21

The trouble is Starmer and most of Labour doing that sneering arrogance all the time, plus the incompetence, so it makes it harder to feel sorry for them when it goes wrong.

Most of us are way beyond pity Eastern - they made this personal from day one.

twistyizzy · 14/09/2025 21:24

GabrielsOboe · 14/09/2025 21:23

Most of us are way beyond pity Eastern - they made this personal from day one.

100% they did. It's completely personal for me

twistyizzy · 14/09/2025 21:27

TheNuthatch · 14/09/2025 21:15

I've always thought that Starmer would cling on to power until the next GE, but reading that, I'm not so sure.
I'm beginning to entertain the idea that this could bring Starmer down. Each revelation makes him (and McSweeney) look worse. I don't see how he can recover, particularly with the mother of all budgets on the horizon.

I think they will fight to keep him as they accused Tories of chaos for changing PMs. I'm not sure he will make it to the election. 1 more scandal and he's definitely gone.
He is building enemies within Labour ranks at a rate of knots, I wouldn't be surprised if things were purposely leaked now.

TheNuthatch · 14/09/2025 21:28

I can't find any pity for Starmer. I do pity his wife having to live with him. I have always despised him as you all know, but what he and his government have done is unforgivable. They did not need to enjoy inflicting misery on people with their stupid politics of envy.

Labour’s downfall is entirely of their own making. They haven't faced a particularly robust opposition in the tories, and the public gave them a huge majority. They could have done anything, but they chose punishment and spite.

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twistyizzy · 14/09/2025 21:28

TheNuthatch · 14/09/2025 21:28

I can't find any pity for Starmer. I do pity his wife having to live with him. I have always despised him as you all know, but what he and his government have done is unforgivable. They did not need to enjoy inflicting misery on people with their stupid politics of envy.

Labour’s downfall is entirely of their own making. They haven't faced a particularly robust opposition in the tories, and the public gave them a huge majority. They could have done anything, but they chose punishment and spite.

100%

EasternStandard · 14/09/2025 21:32

TheNuthatch · 14/09/2025 21:28

I can't find any pity for Starmer. I do pity his wife having to live with him. I have always despised him as you all know, but what he and his government have done is unforgivable. They did not need to enjoy inflicting misery on people with their stupid politics of envy.

Labour’s downfall is entirely of their own making. They haven't faced a particularly robust opposition in the tories, and the public gave them a huge majority. They could have done anything, but they chose punishment and spite.

Yep exactly

TheNuthatch · 14/09/2025 21:34

Will McSweeney become the next Dom Cummings?
Perhaps we'll see him leave downing street soon carrying a cardboard box full of resentment.

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GabrielsOboe · 14/09/2025 21:34

FT

Sir Keir Starmer has until next May to turn around his government’s fortunes, according to a growing number of Labour MPs and trade union leaders, as his allies warily eye Greater Manchester mayor Andy Burnham as a potential challenger. Starmer’s attempt this month to move his government on to its “second phase” — with a focus on “delivery” of policies — has been thrown into disarray by the forced departures of deputy prime minister Angela Rayner and US ambassador Lord Peter Mandelson.

His sweeping ministerial reshuffle has caused widespread discontent among Labour MPs, with some claiming it was a factional exercise intended to marginalise the left of the party and reward allies of Starmer’s chief of staff, Morgan McSweeney. With Labour polling at a little above 20 per cent — some 10 percentage points behind Nigel Farage’s Reform UK — and with tax rises looming in the November Budget, the discontent has spread to the wider Labour movement.

One trade union leader told the Financial Times: “Obviously no one will get rid of him one year into a Labour government. But my worry is that we are going to be a one term Labour government. Can he turn it around? I don’t know.” Another union leader said: “The public don’t like him or know what he stands for. If Reform sweep the board in the May elections in Wales he faces a serious moment of peril.” An increasing number of MPs now think elections to the Welsh Senedd and the Scottish parliament, along with polls to English councils, will prove a major test of Starmer’s authority and whether he can arrest the rise of Reform UK. “He’s got until May but after that all bets are off,” said one mainstream Labour MP.

Clive Lewis, a leftwing Labour MP, told the BBC: “We don’t have the luxury of carrying on this way with someone who I think increasingly, I’m sorry to say, just doesn’t seem up to the job.” Sir Keir Starmer with Andy Burnham (R) mayor of Greater Manchester, who is seen as a potential threat to the prime minister © Ian Vogler/WPA Pool/Getty Images There is a growing focus in Downing Street on the potential threat posed by Burnham, who has called for more left-leaning policies such as wealth taxes, and who Labour MPs believe could seek to return to Westminster soon in a by-election.

Peter Kyle, business secretary and an ally of Starmer, suggested Burnham, nicknamed “the king of the north”, would be better off staying in regional politics. Kyle told Sky News on Sunday that Burnham was “a real talent” but he added: ‘I think he is doing an incredible job in Manchester at the moment, I think Manchester really needs him.” Bookmakers now put Burnham almost neck-and-neck with health secretary Wes Streeting as the most likely next Labour leader.

One route back to Westminster for Burnham would be if MP Andrew Gwynne, who was suspended by Labour in February after the leaking of offensive remarks about members of the public, stood down in his Gorton and Denton seat in east Manchester, where he has a majority of more than 13,000. Lucy Powell, a Manchester MP who is contesting the Labour deputy leadership, is close to Burnham although she said it was “sexist” to suggest she was a proxy candidate for the Manchester mayor.

Powell, sacked by Starmer this month as leader of the House of Commons, told the Manchester Evening News that Labour had made “too many unforced errors”. Recommended Labour party UK Starmer hit with wave of Labour anger after Mandelson sacking She is now the bookmakers’ favourite to win the deputy leadership contest over Bridget Phillipson, education secretary, whose position in the cabinet will restrain her ability to criticise government policy.

Powell also suggested she had been punished for relaying “feedback” to Downing Street concerns from Labour MPs about government plans to cut welfare benefits by £5bn, which were ultimately dumped. “I’ve never really been given the impression that I’m one of the chosen ones — far from it,” she said. She insisted she was loyal to Starmer, but added: “Equally I don’t think we should shy away from having this conversation right now because clearly there are things that aren’t working.”

twistyizzy · 14/09/2025 21:38

Burnham is tainted by the grooming gangs though. Plus chances are if there was a bi-election then Reform would get in.
I am praying that the current polling Wales is correct ie Reform/PC so Labour lose it.