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Labour isn't working - Thread 8

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TheNuthatch · 10/09/2025 10:58

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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A chat thread for those who *don't *like this Labour government. ^The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money....

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CruCru · 14/09/2025 12:16

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 14/09/2025 12:05

There’s no evidence of her father. I think this should be disregarded unless reliable fact comes to light.

I agree.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 14/09/2025 12:20

DancingFerret · 14/09/2025 12:13

It's being reported KS is under pressure to bin Rayner's potty Workers' Rights Bill. Will common sense prevail and would he have the bottle?

I doubt it, or at least I doubt he’d change anything meaningful.

He really would be vilified by idiot Labour backbenchers if he did that.

But the idiots can force out a PM just as much as the sensible ones can.

It’s hard to read Starmer - cf Blair, Corbyn - because Starmer’s so rudderless. I suspect, though, that he doesn’t feel strongly either way. So he’ll be happy enough to hobble employers to avoid grumbling against him.

What changes Peter Kyle is ordered to make, on his Labour suicide mission, will end up being trivial.

EasternStandard · 14/09/2025 12:24

The unions are watching that bill closely. I heard it was the most important piece of legislation etc today or yesterday maybe. They will fight on it imo

typos!

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CruCru · 14/09/2025 12:27

I’ve been pondering why the Labour leadership annoy me so much (apart from their policies). I think it’s because they are a bunch of solidly middle class (people where I grew up might describe them as posh) people who keep telling everyone that they are working class. Now, I can believe that Starmer is not posh by House of Commons standards (Boris Johnson isn’t really posh, for all that he went to Eton) but he is to most people. It’s part of the reason he held onto Rayner; she was a credible working class person.

twistyizzy · 14/09/2025 12:30

CruCru · 14/09/2025 12:27

I’ve been pondering why the Labour leadership annoy me so much (apart from their policies). I think it’s because they are a bunch of solidly middle class (people where I grew up might describe them as posh) people who keep telling everyone that they are working class. Now, I can believe that Starmer is not posh by House of Commons standards (Boris Johnson isn’t really posh, for all that he went to Eton) but he is to most people. It’s part of the reason he held onto Rayner; she was a credible working class person.

They are champagne socialists. Do as we say, not as we do.

Rivalled · 14/09/2025 12:37

That workers rights bill is so likely to hit the sectors worst hit by the employer NI rise - care work (adults and children), retail, hospitality etc - would you rather have a job, or a few more rights in a job you no longer have?

that’ll be the decision - all this stuff making lower skilled private sector workers more expensive is coming at exactly the wrong time - they’ve not ‘read the room’ either…

EasternStandard · 14/09/2025 12:46

Rivalled · 14/09/2025 12:37

That workers rights bill is so likely to hit the sectors worst hit by the employer NI rise - care work (adults and children), retail, hospitality etc - would you rather have a job, or a few more rights in a job you no longer have?

that’ll be the decision - all this stuff making lower skilled private sector workers more expensive is coming at exactly the wrong time - they’ve not ‘read the room’ either…

It’s going to cause problems for Labour either way, you’re right too. If they scrap it the unions will get onto them if they don’t growth and jobs will suffer.

GabrielsOboe · 14/09/2025 12:49

EasternStandard · 14/09/2025 12:46

It’s going to cause problems for Labour either way, you’re right too. If they scrap it the unions will get onto them if they don’t growth and jobs will suffer.

Absolutely.

It’s another welfare bill/backbench dynamic. Labour are unable to get meaningful economic reform through, even if they wanted to.

Reeves is truly snookered.

Rivalled · 14/09/2025 13:07

They should’ve written a clever manifesto - if they really wanted growth.

twistyizzy · 14/09/2025 13:08

Rivalled · 14/09/2025 13:07

They should’ve written a clever manifesto - if they really wanted growth.

But it was fully costed

LupaMoonhowl · 14/09/2025 13:13

TheNuthatch · 14/09/2025 11:23

Oof, its out. Trott didn't want to bite did she.
Let's see if BP issues a denial.

Link doesnt work… post taken down?

JustStopItNorasaurus · 14/09/2025 13:35

Rivalled · 14/09/2025 12:37

That workers rights bill is so likely to hit the sectors worst hit by the employer NI rise - care work (adults and children), retail, hospitality etc - would you rather have a job, or a few more rights in a job you no longer have?

that’ll be the decision - all this stuff making lower skilled private sector workers more expensive is coming at exactly the wrong time - they’ve not ‘read the room’ either…

Exactly this. It drives me bonkers when Labour MPs say 'we are putting more money into workers' pockets'.

Well, only their favoured workers in the unions. For the regular joe working in a small business or company they are seeing their employers go bust or downsizing and their jobs evaporating before their eyes.

Rivalled · 14/09/2025 13:51

Absolutely - it’s a special interest government.

upseedaisee · 14/09/2025 14:02

JustStopItNorasaurus · 14/09/2025 13:35

Exactly this. It drives me bonkers when Labour MPs say 'we are putting more money into workers' pockets'.

Well, only their favoured workers in the unions. For the regular joe working in a small business or company they are seeing their employers go bust or downsizing and their jobs evaporating before their eyes.

Absolutely. If you're a public sector worker, you're laughing. Son has a friend who works in the NHS he got a 5.5% pay rise and his pension contribution is matched to 20%.
On the other hand... as I've previously mentioned the pay rise my son got was reduced as a direct result of Reeves' budget and as staff leave, they're not taking on new starters, so fewer jobs and the staff left have to pick up the extra work ( remember we mentioned pay and conditions for underground drivers?) no-one has askked them if they would do it, it's expected.
It's not just small business. This is a multinational company and is already considering closing certain arms of the business in this country and moving the work elsewhere. If they do go, there will be north of 2,000 jobs lost. I f they pull out completely, about 5,000 maybe more. This number doesn't include the companies and service providers that work with this company.

GabrielsOboe · 14/09/2025 14:03

A great piece in the DT.

Starmer is a slightly over-weight human rights lawyer who came to politics as a late career change with no very clear idea of what he wanted to achieve. He seems to have imagined that there would be someone in Number 10 to tell him what to do, and has never quite recovered from the shock of realising that he is responsible.

Starmer had it too easy in Opposition. The last government was so unpopular, especially when the lockdown bills started coming in, that the Opposition could hardly fail to land punches. A frustrated electorate projected its hopes onto Starmer without looking too closely at him and, when the time came, gave him a colossal majority.

Perhaps, in the circumstances, we can forgive the PM for believing that he was a better human being than his Conservative predecessors, that he would be virtuous where they had been wicked, that governing would be easy.
After all, how hard could it be if those Tory tossers had managed it for 14 years?

Labour would be kinder, more generous, more internationalist, but also more competent. It would give lots of money to doctors and people who chose to go onto benefits and families claiming child benefit and Mauritian politicians and Eurocrats. Yet at the same time it would, as Starmer and Rachel Reeves kept repeating nasally and tautologically, “make growth our number one priority”.

Julen7 · 14/09/2025 14:09

GabrielsOboe · 14/09/2025 14:03

A great piece in the DT.

Starmer is a slightly over-weight human rights lawyer who came to politics as a late career change with no very clear idea of what he wanted to achieve. He seems to have imagined that there would be someone in Number 10 to tell him what to do, and has never quite recovered from the shock of realising that he is responsible.

Starmer had it too easy in Opposition. The last government was so unpopular, especially when the lockdown bills started coming in, that the Opposition could hardly fail to land punches. A frustrated electorate projected its hopes onto Starmer without looking too closely at him and, when the time came, gave him a colossal majority.

Perhaps, in the circumstances, we can forgive the PM for believing that he was a better human being than his Conservative predecessors, that he would be virtuous where they had been wicked, that governing would be easy.
After all, how hard could it be if those Tory tossers had managed it for 14 years?

Labour would be kinder, more generous, more internationalist, but also more competent. It would give lots of money to doctors and people who chose to go onto benefits and families claiming child benefit and Mauritian politicians and Eurocrats. Yet at the same time it would, as Starmer and Rachel Reeves kept repeating nasally and tautologically, “make growth our number one priority”.

This is spot on isn’t it.
Thanks for typing it out as it’s probably behind a pay wall.

GabrielsOboe · 14/09/2025 14:11

Julen7 · 14/09/2025 14:09

This is spot on isn’t it.
Thanks for typing it out as it’s probably behind a pay wall.

Thank you @Julen7 , I have a sub so no stress.

I have a bunch of them come to think of it, including the FT and Bloomberg, so always happy to send if you see something!

TheNuthatch · 14/09/2025 14:20

LupaMoonhowl · 14/09/2025 13:13

Link doesnt work… post taken down?

Looks that way yes. It was working earlier, not now.

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TheNuthatch · 14/09/2025 14:20

GabrielsOboe · 14/09/2025 14:03

A great piece in the DT.

Starmer is a slightly over-weight human rights lawyer who came to politics as a late career change with no very clear idea of what he wanted to achieve. He seems to have imagined that there would be someone in Number 10 to tell him what to do, and has never quite recovered from the shock of realising that he is responsible.

Starmer had it too easy in Opposition. The last government was so unpopular, especially when the lockdown bills started coming in, that the Opposition could hardly fail to land punches. A frustrated electorate projected its hopes onto Starmer without looking too closely at him and, when the time came, gave him a colossal majority.

Perhaps, in the circumstances, we can forgive the PM for believing that he was a better human being than his Conservative predecessors, that he would be virtuous where they had been wicked, that governing would be easy.
After all, how hard could it be if those Tory tossers had managed it for 14 years?

Labour would be kinder, more generous, more internationalist, but also more competent. It would give lots of money to doctors and people who chose to go onto benefits and families claiming child benefit and Mauritian politicians and Eurocrats. Yet at the same time it would, as Starmer and Rachel Reeves kept repeating nasally and tautologically, “make growth our number one priority”.

Spot on. Thanks also from me.

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TheNuthatch · 14/09/2025 14:32

@Julen7 I use the website archive.ph for reading paywalled articles. Doesn't always work, but handy to have.

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WolfinSheepsDress · 14/09/2025 14:47

" last July these things happen because people chose hope at the ballot ,the mandate to give hope and children the best start in life " Phillipson
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Argghhn

We all feel fucking worried and scared what the hell are you doing next.

How can people be so thick and lacking in self reflection.

Live now.

" So we win a second term our country desperately needs " 😱 need like a noose around our necks , fuck off.

EasternStandard · 14/09/2025 15:13

WolfinSheepsDress · 14/09/2025 14:47

" last July these things happen because people chose hope at the ballot ,the mandate to give hope and children the best start in life " Phillipson
.
Argghhn

We all feel fucking worried and scared what the hell are you doing next.

How can people be so thick and lacking in self reflection.

Live now.

" So we win a second term our country desperately needs " 😱 need like a noose around our necks , fuck off.

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Repugnant. They are so focussed on this second term BS as if we can’t notice the harm they’re doing now.

GabrielsOboe · 14/09/2025 15:30

WolfinSheepsDress · 14/09/2025 14:47

" last July these things happen because people chose hope at the ballot ,the mandate to give hope and children the best start in life " Phillipson
.
Argghhn

We all feel fucking worried and scared what the hell are you doing next.

How can people be so thick and lacking in self reflection.

Live now.

" So we win a second term our country desperately needs " 😱 need like a noose around our necks , fuck off.

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BP is simply another Starmerite ten-a-penny rent-a- drone.

I am looking forward to her becoming increasingly vocal, given she should prove another liability for Labour.

DancingFerret · 14/09/2025 15:50

GabrielsOboe · 14/09/2025 15:30

BP is simply another Starmerite ten-a-penny rent-a- drone.

I am looking forward to her becoming increasingly vocal, given she should prove another liability for Labour.

Pre-BP, this southerner could have listened to the Geordie accent all day long; sadly, not any more - and the thought of her becoming even more vocal doesn't bear thinking about.😱

WolfinSheepsDress · 14/09/2025 16:09

Vocal and active making schools promise stuff with no funding