Labour isn't working - Thread 8

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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They probably thought - well trump has a relationship with Epstein too - hey, great ambassadorial fit!

Honestly, you'd think at least one of them would think 'hang on, this bloke has been sacked twice already, is he really ambassador material?'

Starmer is an utter plank isn’t he?

Flat footed with zero political instinct or nous.

His father should have remained at Black
and Decker.

I have a slightly different, and probably misguided, take on Starmer/Mandelson.

The Washington posting is the biggest one of all. It needs a really good and effective Ambassador. Particularly with erratic Trump in the White House.

Starmer increasingly recognises that present Labour is devoid of talent. So he’s reaching back to Blairites for help. He thinks they’re smart, experienced and battle hardened. Which is true enough in some ways, especially of Mandelson. But the track record obscured Starmer’s - already very limited - judgement, and he dismissed every warning sign.

And…car crash.

That’s my theory anyway. However you cut it, though, Starmer’s a bust and there must now be traction for a behind the scenes campaign to get rid of him.

You speak sense and it probably explains why he ignored warnings (or his team did). Irrespective of that, he ultimately is responsible.

Wonder if they would all rewind the clock back to July 24 and not try to win the election 🤣🤣

Bridget for PM?

@twistyizzy it would have been hard with what we were faced with but yes
..desperately try and lose it

It's all moving so fast I can hardly keep up with the sleeze and sleezy tricks

🤣🤣

That's me leaving the country.

🤣🤣🙈🙈

Supercilious BP would spark more Labour backbench rebellion than her predecessor if they ever manage to dislodge him.

It isn't a post normally filled by an elected politician though.

Normally a career diplomat.

R4 asking why Starmer appointed Mandy. Secret services warned against it as well as Glassman?
Looks more and more like Starner ignoring advice.....who knew 🙄

The reason he was probably appointed was probably less to do with what friendships and associations he made in the past and more to do with his perceived ability to manage the UKs relationship with a US president that many people regard as "difficult" and challenging to deal with from a political perspective.

Starmer is having to tread a fine line with Trump as he is pretty unpopular in the UK and probably even more so amongst his own party. However a positive relationship with the US can bring significant political benefits which Starmer desparately needs.

TBH I don't think he failed in that job, by all accounts he had a good relationship with Trump and Trumps people and was managing the US-UK relationship well.

Surely we already had an ambassador to the US who was a brilliant diplomat doing a great job, and had an excellent relationship with the Trump team? Karen Pierce obviously wasn't sleezy enough for Starmer and McSweeney (who used to work for Mandy).

Alicia Kearns said this afternoon that the wording of Mandy being 'withdrawn' suggests that he hasn't actually been sacked, just withdrawn from the ambassador job. She suggested if he has only been withdrawn, not sacked, he would still be employed and paid as a civil servant.

This week's FON polling

Another "oof" moment

The latest episode of Political Currency has dropped. I won’t be able to listen until tomorrow, but the headline is, er, interesting 🤣

Joining the thread if I may.

So depressed about the state of politics right now. And have not voted Labour for many an election now despite being a member way way back in the day. Their fiscal incompetence and resulting spite beggars belief.

Gosh, look at that...not just that gap between Labour and reform but the crazed Greens have caught up to the Lib Dems. 🫣

my conspiracy theory view is that Mandy knows where are the bodies are buried if it’s true that Starmer is a gay there you have it anyhoo I’m seeing my well connected one removed from royalty friend tomorrow who is a dear friend of Mandy’s let’s see what reveals

Welcome 🙂

Reform on 34% is just Wow

I have to provide disclosure about myself because my sister in law is in the RAF! Not that they want to see everything, but I have to provide enough info to be checked out!

I may be wrong, but if they're married, I think they're thought of as a single entity for SDLT purposes. I'm pretty sure that as I'd owned a house before meeting my husband, that he wouldn't be considered a FTB, even if he bought without me.

I doubt it's the same for non-married couples. (Is Farage married? She's referred to as his 'partner' in all reports I've seen.)

Disclaimer: this may all be misremembered bollocks. 🤣🤣