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MistressoftheDarkSide · 08/09/2025 19:38

Oh hai 😊

Checking in x

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 08/09/2025 19:39

Thanks TypicalWave.
Checking in.

EyeLevelStick · 08/09/2025 19:50

Phew. You saved me a job!

Typicalwave · 08/09/2025 20:03

Happy to oblige @EyeLevelStick.

Saw this post on Reddit today regarding the defences attempts to show that the prosecutions case was based on using LL as a filter for picking out cases

https://www.reddit.com/r/scienceLucyLetby/comments/17nuven/scrutinising_the_shifts_in_the_recorded_neonatal/

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Anotherdayanotherdollar · 08/09/2025 20:07

Another one checking in

Kittybythelighthouse · 08/09/2025 20:20

Here, Miss! ✋

Kittybythelighthouse · 08/09/2025 21:29

There’s a new documentary about the case (it’s called Conviction) coming out via channel 4. Apparently one of the families will be in it. I’m assuming the family wrote a waiver for the court, or potentially their identity will remain hidden, due to the lifelong anonymity orders. It sounds interesting. The filmmakers are not hacks. They’re proper serious documentarians.

www.dartmouthfilms.com/conviction

Iamateadrinker · 08/09/2025 22:10

I have read all of these threads so far and like many of you am appalled at what seems to be flimsy evidence that led to her conviction. For newcomers to the thread( and to avoid circular arguments) would someone with more knowledge than me being able to do a bullet point type post to sum up the allegations and the discrepancies?
Such as
Insulin tampered with- this is problematic because tamper proof bags/ LL not on duty at the time/ disagreement re insulin levels etc

" Confessional notes" - problematic because LL was advised by psychologist to put down all her thoughts etc

Hope that makes sense and I am aware it is a lot of work for someone...I think when new readers see how much of the " evidence" isn't any such thing they will be as astonished as I was.

Thanks to everyone who has contributed so far, it's been fascinating and appalling at the same time and I think that LL did not receive a fair trial. This has implications for all of us. I have tremendous sympathy for the bereaved parents before anyone thinks otherwise but if there has been a MOJ it just means that the truth remains hidden.

Kittybythelighthouse · 08/09/2025 22:54

Great suggestion @Iamateadrinker ! There’s so much in it it’ll be huge but I’ll have a look at that tomorrow. Could maybe break it into sections. If anyone wants to collaborate on it we could bounce it forward and back in dm before posting.

kkloo · 08/09/2025 23:38

Kittybythelighthouse · 08/09/2025 21:29

There’s a new documentary about the case (it’s called Conviction) coming out via channel 4. Apparently one of the families will be in it. I’m assuming the family wrote a waiver for the court, or potentially their identity will remain hidden, due to the lifelong anonymity orders. It sounds interesting. The filmmakers are not hacks. They’re proper serious documentarians.

www.dartmouthfilms.com/conviction

Any idea when this is supposed to be out?

kkloo · 08/09/2025 23:39

Kittybythelighthouse · 08/09/2025 22:54

Great suggestion @Iamateadrinker ! There’s so much in it it’ll be huge but I’ll have a look at that tomorrow. Could maybe break it into sections. If anyone wants to collaborate on it we could bounce it forward and back in dm before posting.

I don't think it will be huge, despite the claims on the other threads about there being mountains of evidence against her there really wasn't even if you're going by the prosecutions story.

Kittybythelighthouse · 09/09/2025 00:42

kkloo · 08/09/2025 23:39

I don't think it will be huge, despite the claims on the other threads about there being mountains of evidence against her there really wasn't even if you're going by the prosecutions story.

I was thinking of it as a 101 for newbies, which would cover all the big myths etc. I feel like that would definitely be huge (as a comment) but “huge” is relative I suppose!

Kittybythelighthouse · 09/09/2025 00:43

kkloo · 08/09/2025 23:38

Any idea when this is supposed to be out?

Apparently the documentary will air on TV in two parts, and will be screened in two independent cinemas in October as a full length film. The cinema running time is listed as 105 minutes, so that would equate to two one hour TV episodes once one takes into account commercial breaks (which channel 4 has). No dates for television broadcast have yet been announced as far as I am aware.

Typicalwave · 09/09/2025 07:57

Does anyone have a token for the telegraph they would be willing to share? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/11/why-the-medical-world-terrified-speak-out-over-letby-case/

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OnTheRoof · 09/09/2025 08:00

I don't but there's an archived version here

https://archive.ph/F34pG

Typicalwave · 09/09/2025 08:10

I have questions

who were babies r & s

who were the original babies l & f bevause the insulin cases were shuffled into the deck way after May 2017

Lucy Letby - have you changed your mind pt. 5
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Outig · 09/09/2025 08:37

From the Telegraph report

<<The defence team had tried to get evidence that was undisclosed by the prosecution put before the jury – but the judge refused.>>

I actually feel ill when I think about what has gone on around this case on, it almost seems like some high level collusion that you would only expect to see in a political case in some corrupt country.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 09/09/2025 08:42

Outig · 09/09/2025 08:37

From the Telegraph report

<<The defence team had tried to get evidence that was undisclosed by the prosecution put before the jury – but the judge refused.>>

I actually feel ill when I think about what has gone on around this case on, it almost seems like some high level collusion that you would only expect to see in a political case in some corrupt country.

I would like to hear more about the judge’s decisions, some of them seem inexplicable, like not allowing the jury to hear evidence about the other babies who died who were not in the indictment, or about the state of the unit. Myers seems to have been fighting with one hand tied behind his back.
I am hoping we will hear more when Lucy is finally exonerated but it could be a while.

Typicalwave · 09/09/2025 08:43

Well, well, well…

Written by Brearey to Modi in Feb 2018

Lucy Letby - have you changed your mind pt. 5
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Typicalwave · 09/09/2025 09:40

OnTheRoof · 09/09/2025 08:00

I don't but there's an archived version here

https://archive.ph/F34pG

Thank you.

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Typicalwave · 09/09/2025 09:42

Outig · 09/09/2025 08:37

From the Telegraph report

<<The defence team had tried to get evidence that was undisclosed by the prosecution put before the jury – but the judge refused.>>

I actually feel ill when I think about what has gone on around this case on, it almost seems like some high level collusion that you would only expect to see in a political case in some corrupt country.

I think this is all probably quite ‘normal’ and goes on every day up and down the country

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MistressoftheDarkSide · 09/09/2025 10:01

Outig · 09/09/2025 08:37

From the Telegraph report

<<The defence team had tried to get evidence that was undisclosed by the prosecution put before the jury – but the judge refused.>>

I actually feel ill when I think about what has gone on around this case on, it almost seems like some high level collusion that you would only expect to see in a political case in some corrupt country.

Agreed.

Those of us who have had doubts since the conviction have had to defend ourselves against accusations of being conspiracy theories and carefully point out the problems with both the legal system and the medical evidence in as factual a way as we can, with our limited knowledge / resources / experience in some cases, because never assume Malice over incompetence etc...

And now as more and more comes out, there does seem to be conspiracy at every level, not pre-planned, but the result of arse and reputation covering and probably for some involved, the realisation that they have (hopefully) with the best of intentions, cocked up in such a massive way that their only psychological defence is to double down.

If only, right back at the beginning, someone had said to Ravi and Brearey:

"Are you sure? Are you really, really sure, that this nurse is a serial killer? Do you have concrete evidence? How confident are you in your gut instincts, when often you will scoff at those of your patients / their carers, because it's not scientific? Do you have any idea what will happen if you pursue this? Are you ready to destroy this nurses life, and expose yourselves and your hospital and colleagues to extreme scrutiny? Have you considered every single variable in the situation, and do you really think you can hand it all off to the police and expect them to do the leg work in a situation far outside their remit?"

Or maybe they did, but we're so confident in themselves, nothing would swerve them.

I'm almost waiting for one of them to come up with a repressed memory of Lucy Letby conducting a Satanic ritual with all the bells and whistles in between night feeds.

I also still can't get my head around the police flip flopping "Nah, nothing much to see here mate, not much to work on, don't think it's got legs" to "We're going to nail this bitch if it's the last thing we do".

We are in the realms of conspiracy / not conspiracy, and the overall flavour of believing six impossible things before lunch......

OnTheRoof · 09/09/2025 10:09

And now as more and more comes out, there does seem to be conspiracy at every level, not pre-planned, but the result of arse and reputation covering and probably for some involved, the realisation that they have (hopefully) with the best of intentions, cocked up in such a massive way that their only psychological defence is to double down.

Yes, in my experience stuff like this is a lot more likely to be layered one offs or fuck ups than a big planned conspiracy effort. Even things that might have been justified or could've gone either way, like some of the legal procedural calls.

Especially when people want to believe something. For a lot of us, the idea of something out of the ordinary and evil is much more palatable than the other potential explorations.

Kittybythelighthouse · 09/09/2025 10:41

Not to derail ongoing conversation but just adding this from today’s Telegraph:

True scale of NHS failure revealed for the first time: Hospital trusts ‘off-track’ on performance targets or running financial deficits are ‘named and shamed’ in new league tables

“The Countess of Chester, whose neonatal failings are the subject of the Thirlwall inquiry, was ranked 133rd, above only The Queen Elizabeth King’s Lynn Hospital in Norfolk”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/09/true-scale-of-nhs-failure-revealed-for-the-first-time/#comment

No paywall link: archive.ph/2025.09.09-050909/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/09/true-scale-of-nhs-failure-revealed-for-the-first-time/

Typicalwave · 09/09/2025 10:50

Kittybythelighthouse · 09/09/2025 10:41

Not to derail ongoing conversation but just adding this from today’s Telegraph:

True scale of NHS failure revealed for the first time: Hospital trusts ‘off-track’ on performance targets or running financial deficits are ‘named and shamed’ in new league tables

“The Countess of Chester, whose neonatal failings are the subject of the Thirlwall inquiry, was ranked 133rd, above only The Queen Elizabeth King’s Lynn Hospital in Norfolk”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/09/true-scale-of-nhs-failure-revealed-for-the-first-time/#comment

No paywall link: archive.ph/2025.09.09-050909/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/09/true-scale-of-nhs-failure-revealed-for-the-first-time/

I strongly suggest EVERYOND stays away from Kings Lynn - look at the size of the leap in the score

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