Why are governments putting women and girls at higher risk of sex crimes?

[Absentmindedsmile]

Fact: Hundreds of thousands of men are entering Europe (as in the continent), from countries where women and girls are second class citizens.
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Fact: The sex crime rate statistics associated with different nationalities living in the UK have been published. An example is provided below.
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….the [sex crime] rates, based on convictions per 10,000 of the population put Afghans, with 77 convictions, at the top with a rate of 59 per 10,000 – 22.3 times that of Britons.
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They were followed by Eritreans, who accounted for 59 convictions at a rate of 53.6 per 10,000 of their population.
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Britons accounted for 12,619 sex offence convictions, representing a rate of 2.66 per per 10,000 of their population in England and Wales.
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https://archive.md/6AXAy Archive version
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Fact: This example data blows up any erroneous claims from people suggesting that British men commit more sex crimes when numbers in the population are accounted for / are more likely to commit a sex crime.
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There’s above is factual data. It is not racist to provide it. To claim this, is quite simply, wrong. Perhaps it’s projection, the mind boggles.

To want ‘no debate’ and bleet on with incorrectly placed accusations of racism, is to shut down people’s valid concerns.

Tin hat on for the people who want no debate on this issue, and instead of protecting women and girls, insist on protecting men from countries where women and girls are treated as second class citizens.

More data has been promised.
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Seriously unbelievable. What farage said is not the same as the information in the OP. The fact that people are jumping to that incorrect state says it all.

Having said that, I can see that some people here do not let facts get in the way of their stories. People are so busy projecting imagined ideas onto people who present actual facts , they can’t think straight.

I’ve tried to ignore the rabid accusations likening factual information to other info / slanted stats provided by farage / far right / reform bilge. Sadly that doesn’t seem to work as people insist on sticking to their mental models of what they think they know. Not much I can do about that it seems. People are unwilling to consider they are wrong.

It is very clear from some responses in this thread that many people prefer to ignore the repercussions of mass immigration, from Muslim countries particularly.

So sadly rather than trying to understand the actual scale of the problem and its causes, people find it easier to cry racism or right wing Tommy Robinson or farage. I see it, it’s the easy way out. Feels cosier for many people.

That might be ok for them, but it’s not ok for me and many others (by the by, there are many likes on this thread that are unseen of course).

I’ll help out:

To understand what is happening, we need to accept it and we need to take seriously 2 major issues:

• the ideas and cultural attitudes that many people from Muslim-majority countries (particularly) carry,
• and the irrational thinking, decisions and actions of deluded thinking / misunderstanding of privileged westerners

That takes self reflection.

So no. I’m not racist. If you think I am, you’re deeply confused and or projecting.

@TopPocketFind I have .

This is another reason why people get angry and start putting flags everywhere. Pretending Britain is 'built on immigration' makes people feel that British cultural heritage is either non-existent or offensive. Why do we have to pretend that we have always been a diverse, multi-cultural society in order to argue that that's a good thing? In 1951, over 95% of English people were born here. You can believe mass immigration has been a success story without pretending that isn't true.

Yes. Thanks @LupaMoonhowl ..

No. That’s you projecting. See above.

This is my thinking exactly. There are better ways to enable asylum seekers to provide for themselves that would mean they are scriven contributing to the economy while also promoting integration into society. The problem is that our system is unfit for purpose and it actually helps create some of the problems being mentioned here.

Aw. Laughable. Don’t worry, you’ll get there.

It’s the omni cause…

You may not be racist, but you are still presenting as fact something that is an interpretation of a raw dataset, carried out by someone with an agenda.

If you could acknowledge that what you posted in your OP is no more than that, we can talk.

@Absentmindedsmile

It is very clear from some responses in this thread that many people prefer to ignore the repercussions of mass immigration, from Muslim countries particularly.

So no. I’m not racist.

According to Article 1(1) of ICERD, racial discrimination is defined as:

“Any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.”

It seems you want to exclude people from Muslim countries and prefer people from other nations or ethnicities. You don't seem to believe that people from Muslim countries should enjoy equal human rights the same as other nationalities.

I would consider that to be racial discrimination.

You can try to dismiss what I've said as laughable, and you can try to patronise me if you like, but that doesn't make my comments invalid. It simply reflects the reality that you don't know how else to respond.

Totally agree.
The other thing that worries me about this thread is the conflation of asylum seekers with immigrants in general. Asylum seekers make up less than 1% of the total number of immigrants, are far far more likely to be victims of crime than perpetrators, and yet some how are being blamed for all of societies ills. It is without basis in fact and is so so concerning.

@MiloMinderbinder925
‘You don't seem to believe that people from Muslim countries should enjoy equal human rights the same as other nationalities.’

Zero logical analysis apparent. But… Well thank you for providing a perfect example of a nasty incorrect conclusion. If we’re dealing with incorrect leaps in logic like yours above, it’s clear we can’t debate seriously.

"People are so busy projecting imagined ideas onto people who present actual facts , they can’t think straight."

I mean - I work at grassroots both with evawg and also working with asylum seekers and refugees directly and have done for many years. Is my career and real life experience an imagined idea or is that not fact?

"The ideas and cultural attitudes that many people from Muslim-majority countries (particularly) carry" there are a few extremists within the Muslim faith of course. Just as there are within every single other religion everywhere including Christianity.

Christianity has been used as a rationale for wars/ mass shootings / the open policing of female bodies/ female access to healthcare/ the impact its had on lgbt+ people / the promotion and excusal of domestic abuse etc. But when it comes to it, this is just accepted. We don't assume that all Christians may carry an inherent level of threat to our society and safety. We are able to recognise extremists for what they are - a minority group within a group who need deradicalisation and to be held to account.

Most people coming from Muslim-majority countries are leaving BECAUSE of those extremists. And actually if you want to look at radicalisation and extremist mindsets like what you're describing, often that happens here when vulnerable people are isolated by the society they've entered, are not allowed to work or earn, experience racism on the regular - these things (which are entirely preventable by a functioning home office system) make them more vulnerable to radicalisation and further exploitation. Often by people who are in fact citizens and may even have been born here in the UK. However, the majority of muslims including Muslim asylum seekers and refugees are also calling this out and are in fact actively working against radicalisation and promote inclusion and the value of diversity.

Your premise is harmful to that work. It further promotes the idea that Muslim asylum seekers should be feared or mistrusted and therefore promotes the idea they should be either excluded or at least isolated which, ironically, helps create the very issue you're worried about. Even if it's not your intention, that's the outworking of what you're putting out there. It doesn't help anyone, certainly not women and girls here.

We can debate seriously when you accept the limitations of and the flaws in the information you posted as 'fact'.

Ignoring the vitriol, it would be great if you explain how people from Muslim countries can enjoy the same human rights as others when they can't claim asylum.

Absolutely!

An omni cause you're heavily involved in OP. At least try to remember what you're trying to sell.

It's plausible to think at this rate, mirgration may never stop...what if it where to continue at the rate it has for the next 10 or 15years ?

Our infrastructure is already at breaking point.

I understand people wanting a better life but at what point dose anyone in support of this think economically, infrastructure- ly, and landmass - y that enough is enough? Bc there will always be unending people in realitive need.

Isn't it better to use money to help people genuinely build in their place of origin.

Immigration is going to go off the scale when climate change kicks in
Ironically of course Nigel &co dont believe in climate change either

the statistics shared here come from official conviction data..

You’re confused. Not for the first time..

Very disappointing but entirely predictable on MN that OP is trying to start a serious debate on a current issue and everyone screams ‘racist’ at her.

The raw data does. The statistical analysis comes from a highly partisan source. Until you accept that what you have presented is flawed, biased and under dispute from some highly reputable quarters, you're on a hiding to nowhere and only racists will choose to believe you.