Illegal Immigrants In Hotels

[Goldengirl123]

What are your thoughts?

The words asylum and seekers have no need to be within speech marks. They are being processed now, but the previous government purposely under resourced processing, surely under the last government you were campaigning for better processing of asylum seekers if its something that concerns you?

No word games, if you think illegal immigrants are being housed in hotels I would appreciate some evidence of this.

How many people do you think are "at risk" in the world? At risk because of war, famine, climate change, their sexuality, being a woman, child marriage, harsh and oppressive regime?
One billion?, two? three? more?
At what point do we realise that billions of people live shit lives and our small country (with a population of 70 million) can't rescue them all?

The further you live from such hotels and other asylum seeker accommodation, the louder the voice in condemnation of those living beside them who do not like it.

The "they're all young men" argument is trotted out regularly on our local FB.

They're not. Our local one is predominantly families and people still say that. What they mean is, if they see a young man near the place, they're clearly an illegal immigrant. If they see a family, well, they're obviously a local family that happens to be walking near.

And the young men? Well a fair number of our local ones do volunteering, including at the local foodbank, so they're seen because they're going out to do that. They don't have enough money to catch a bus, so they're walking the 3-5 miles.
They're very clear that they want to be putting something back in, and they're not allowed to work so they also want something useful to do with their time.

But if you believed the local gossip all the "hotel" (and if you got service like they're getting at a hotel then you'd be expecting your money back and an apology) is filled with young men who spend their entire day standing outside catcalling. Funny how I go past regularly and never see this, but it doesn't suit their narrative.

My great uncle tramped for 18 years after escaping a CC. He just walked from country to country. No papers or permission. Stopped in England when he met a woman (well, knocked up a woman 🤨)

What gets me is that Brexit voters thought this would be stopped. Truth is, post Brexit we don’t get any EU support for asylum seekers once they’re here, so those who voted for it shot themselves in the foot if they thought it would resolve the issue!!!!

Exactly!

The facts really get in the way of all the frothing don’t they.

I’d like to see all of them deported. Even the genuine asylum seekers, they should have sought asylum in the first safe country they came into, not travelled onto the UK. Yes I understand many of them have English as a second language and outside of their own country it is their only other spoken language, many also have family already in the UK, whether that be legally or not but it doesn’t automatically give them the right to be here. We do not have enough property, jobs, schools, health resources for our own, never mind others coming from other countries.

Suffering so much in fact, that they turn their nose up to France , Belgium, Italy, Germany.....

I find this to be such a hugely ignorant comment and one that demonstrates the complete lack of logical thought and understanding that goes into this issue.

If you were living with your family in a country where you were at daily risk of death through war, famine, religious persecution etc. You had extremely limited means and were desperate for a solution for your family. Would you scrape together any money you could get hold of , which of these would you send:

• your teenage daughter
• ypur young twenties son
• ypur elderly father
• your whole family including children

Bearing in mind the journey will include smuggling yourself in using dangerous transport routes, sleeping rough and in refugee camps, affiliating yourself with strangers and hoping they can be trusted.

I would not want to send a single daughter, let’s be honest the chances of her making it without being physically or sexually assaulted are slim, I would not want to send an elderly or infirm family member as they would be likely to struggle, so yes the best choice is the single male relative in his 20s.

In my council, there are around 3,000 families in temporary accommodation. Many families are living in hostels, sharing bathrooms and kitchens with several strangers. Most of these places are run-down, grotty, and infested with vermin such as rats, mice, and bedbugs, with issues like damp throughout. In some cases, the waiting list for permanent housing is over 10 years.

People often think homelessness only means living on the streets. It doesn’t. Families in hostels are also classed as homeless. They may not be on the streets, but they are still homeless — and living in horrible conditions.

They aren't illegal immigrants, they are asylum seekers. Illegal immigrants do their best to disappear from official notice asap, do cash-in-hand jobs and aren't recieving anything from the state until they eventually get arrested and deported. The people in hotels are people who have claimed asylum and have a legal right to safety, food and shelter while the validity of their claim is assessed. They don't have the right to work or to access normal housing while they wait so of course we have to house and feed them. If we doubled the rate of assessing their claims there would be a lot fewer of them.

The numbers are tiny

The number of refugees in the world is 122 million (1.5% of global population)

We had 111,000 asylum applications in the last year. That's about 0.1% of the world's refugees, and that's pretty much in line with our fair share as the uk has about 0.1% of the world's population of non-refugees too so if we had any less than that we would be freeloading off the rest of the world like selfish CF bastards.

Don't be misled by the word "hotel" into thinking they are enjoying a lovely holiday. The conditions are not very much different from a prison.

More word games. To simplify it for you, everyone escaping from France to the UK on a boat is an illegal migrant as France is considered a safe country and they have entered the UK illegally.

Guys guys the OP was only saying! Can't you just try to provoke a tiny racist rant on the chat thread without being jumped on anymore?! Woke gone mad. And OP does a lotta charridee work. Shame.

My grandparents were refugees because the country was divided and religious riots started. My grandfather was a young man but he didn’t leave his family behind. They all left together on a long, difficult journey. I think you have no idea about how it is to live in a country affected by war or civilian riots to think it’s safer to stay put there than leave than take a chance which is likely to be better than stay put in a dangerous place.

How can it be dangerous if you can stay put in that place for months or years as some asylum seekers applications are not processed since Tory was in government. Governments should start program to rescue people, families from war zones than incentivise anyone able to pay a human smuggler, which means wrong people can leave while real vulnerable people left behind.

Also, it’s a fair argument that homeless people should ALSO be given same kind of protection like asylum seekers. No one is homeless is out of choice and they can’t leave their country and seek help somewhere else.

Also anyone asking - what you are doing to help homeless person, my answer is same as what you are doing to help a person living in war zone whose life you are imagining here and using it to argue with other posters.

The local Holiday Inn Express was used to house asylum seekers. (It's now back to normal use.)

So far as I could see, they were all families - I believe that the fathers had worked with the British army.

Good point about illegal immigrants working in nail bars and car washes.
I have told many people about this yet they are absolutely fine encouraging this, yet bleat on about illegal immigrants.
Don’t use nail bars which won’t accept payment by card or take bookings. Those ‘Chinese’ ones which lots of people use.
Lots of them are run by criminal gangs.
The same for car wash places where lots of non white men work, day in , day in.

Wanting to be in a country that speaks English and having family here is a luxury. if you're fleeing persecution and danger and are in fear of your life, you don't deal in luxuries. I don't buy into that nonsense excuse.

Goldengirl123

And they all seem to be young men

I actually despise this attitude- I have 4 boys and fuck them having to fight in a war/ stay in a country because they chose not to have children etc. People want equal rights but send the young men out to get killed because of a few crazy men who want to kill innocent people. Also op if you work with the homeless I think you need to learn to see everyone as equals, I’m sure the people who came over from another country didn’t wait their whole life to be thrown in with a ton of other people and made to live on tiny amounts of money in a country that acts like they’re a scourge

With all due respect OP you haven’t answered the Q. And people aren’t ‘attacking’ you so much as challenging why your post is so superficial. Generally when people start threads on such subjects they’re expected to explain their own pov and then invite challenge/discussion. But you were very vague and wanting to see what MN consensus was first.

Also, you never mentioned any work with the homeless until someone directly challenged you and then suddenly a key point is conveniently revealed that you do fundraising for in fact many charities and all alone.

Sorry but it just doesn’t ring true. Most people who are motivated to single handedly do charity fundraisers do so because they’ve either experienced something similar or become educated to the point they feel moved to dedicate precious time to particular ones. But you seem to be doing it in reverse order and thanking a PP on educating you - the homeless fundraiser - about a very basic point on addiction and why that keeps many of the UKs homeless in that same vulnerable position.

MN just has very little tolerance for people like yourself. It would have been better for you to just have come clean that you have very limited knowledge about the migrant homing situation but it concerns you for x, y reasons and that you’re open to having your mind changed/being educated. Posting as you did makes you come across at best as wholly ignorant and at worst as a stirrer.

Yeah its terrible. Maybe you could offer a spare room?

Shame they didn't seek refuge from such horrifying circumstances in the nearest safe country then.....

Ps we’re lucky we are born into the countries we were born into/ into the lives we were born into, you could have been any one of the people in these situations, you were just born in a different country

If we were still in the European Union all the European citizens would have free movement. People wouldn't need to make a dangerous crossing to Britain as they could just get citizenship anywhere in Europe and then travel here under free movement. Yhe same people would be coming (and a lot more) just a few years later.

I don't think you can compare travelling to another country , being made to feel welcome to what is happening in this country!. It is totally different. And I'm bored of people mentioning Tommy Robinson, as if we don't have a mind of our own . Let me make this clear- I am sick of seeing what is happening to our once great country. I am fearful for my young daughter growing up here and what the future holds. I cannot stand Tommy Robinson or his 'facist' mates, I am a grown woman and have my own opinion. The country is a shithole and comments like yours are part of the problem.