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Lucy Letby: have you changed your mind - thread 3

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Typicalwave · 19/08/2025 18:43

New thread for those following or wishing to comment - originally started by @kittybythelighthouse.

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Kittybythelighthouse · 28/08/2025 21:24

MistressoftheDarkSide · 28/08/2025 21:24

Well I've done it but it think I've messed up the tagging - apologies!!

No probs! Link it here 🥰

MargaretThursday · 28/08/2025 21:30

Firefly1987 · 28/08/2025 21:07

No these babies collapsed suddenly out of nowhere, most were stable and were far from expected to die. Things like that just don't happen because there is a very clear decline with neonates (according to the experts) they don't just collapse unexpectedly. The hospital wasn't great but what was going on there for that year was wildly out of the norm. They expected something like 2-3 deaths a year prior to this, then it was suddenly that many in just a month!

Other than babies in NICU are not far from expected to die because otherwise they wouldn't be there, my cousin had a baby. Very ordinary pregnancy with nothing wrong at any point. Baby was born at 40 weeks with nothing unusual or difficult in labour.
at birth baby had perfect scores, cried normally, fed beautifully, set nappies etc. Well baby checks all done. All looked great.
Early in the morning baby stopped breathing for no known reason. Post mortems showed nothing, even though they did all the investigations. There was no reason could be found why baby collapsed and the parents were told that "unknown collapses in newborn babies happen sometimes".

Surely you can see that if an apparently healthy baby with no complications can have a collapse then a sick baby in NICU can too?
You're going to say "oh but there were lots", please don't repeat the lie that she was there for every baby collapse because you've been told many times that isn't true. But the fact is in NICU these babies aren't healthy, otherwise they would not be there.

I think this case scares you. Not because you think she is guilty, but actually the thought of her being innocent. Because if she's innocent then this situation could happen to you, or your family, or maybe the opposite, the criminal convicted for a crime near you might not be correct so the real criminal is out there still.
So stop for a minute. Take your head out of the same and look to the questions that have been raised concerning her conviction. Don't just say "I read it and she was convicted, therefore it is true" .
Start from the other end. Without using emotive language used by the court/papers. Look at the facts. For example how would you explain that she managed to insulin into the pouch without leaving a trace. And how did she manage to sort it so the specific baby got it.
If you can't explain these logically, without reverting to "well I know she is guilty therefore she did it" then you have a doubt in your mind too.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 28/08/2025 21:34

@MargaretThursday that is an excellent post, and I'm so sorry about your cousins baby x

Kittybythelighthouse · 28/08/2025 21:40

MargaretThursday · 28/08/2025 21:30

Other than babies in NICU are not far from expected to die because otherwise they wouldn't be there, my cousin had a baby. Very ordinary pregnancy with nothing wrong at any point. Baby was born at 40 weeks with nothing unusual or difficult in labour.
at birth baby had perfect scores, cried normally, fed beautifully, set nappies etc. Well baby checks all done. All looked great.
Early in the morning baby stopped breathing for no known reason. Post mortems showed nothing, even though they did all the investigations. There was no reason could be found why baby collapsed and the parents were told that "unknown collapses in newborn babies happen sometimes".

Surely you can see that if an apparently healthy baby with no complications can have a collapse then a sick baby in NICU can too?
You're going to say "oh but there were lots", please don't repeat the lie that she was there for every baby collapse because you've been told many times that isn't true. But the fact is in NICU these babies aren't healthy, otherwise they would not be there.

I think this case scares you. Not because you think she is guilty, but actually the thought of her being innocent. Because if she's innocent then this situation could happen to you, or your family, or maybe the opposite, the criminal convicted for a crime near you might not be correct so the real criminal is out there still.
So stop for a minute. Take your head out of the same and look to the questions that have been raised concerning her conviction. Don't just say "I read it and she was convicted, therefore it is true" .
Start from the other end. Without using emotive language used by the court/papers. Look at the facts. For example how would you explain that she managed to insulin into the pouch without leaving a trace. And how did she manage to sort it so the specific baby got it.
If you can't explain these logically, without reverting to "well I know she is guilty therefore she did it" then you have a doubt in your mind too.

@MargaretThursday 👏👏👏👏

This is a great comment.

I am so sorry about your cousin’s poor baby 💔

I know myself from similar experience that unexplained neonatal death is sadly not as uncommon as people expect.

We’d all feel far more comfortable if such things made more sense and modern medicine was a better bulwark, but unfortunately, devastatingly, that’s often not the case.

Londonmummy66 · 28/08/2025 22:13

Firefly1987 · 28/08/2025 20:43

Like I said before, you can find experts to say anything. If you want opioids you can find a crooked doctor to give you them (maybe not in the UK but internationally...) if you want to find a different opinion to the consensus you don't think asking enough experts and scouring the globe will get you them eventually?

The trial had Dr Evans, Sandie Bohin and another expert that sadly died before trial that also agreed with Evans. I'm sure if you kept going until you got to expert number 50 you might eventually find someone to disagree with them though...

I've been thinking for a while that @Firefly1987 had to be Dewi Evans - this post just about convinces me. They seem totally unaware that the expert panel weren't trawled for by the defence THEY VOLUNTEERED THEMSELVES AS THEY THOUGHT THE "EXPERT" EVIDENCE PRODUCE3D BY THE NON EXPERTS AND VERY INFERIOR SPECIALISTS USED BY THE PROSECUTION HAD GOT PRETTY WELL EVERYTHING WRONG.

Imperativvv · 28/08/2025 22:13

What an awful tragedy.

Typicalwave · 28/08/2025 22:55

Londonmummy66 · 28/08/2025 22:13

I've been thinking for a while that @Firefly1987 had to be Dewi Evans - this post just about convinces me. They seem totally unaware that the expert panel weren't trawled for by the defence THEY VOLUNTEERED THEMSELVES AS THEY THOUGHT THE "EXPERT" EVIDENCE PRODUCE3D BY THE NON EXPERTS AND VERY INFERIOR SPECIALISTS USED BY THE PROSECUTION HAD GOT PRETTY WELL EVERYTHING WRONG.

I have been tempted to ask ‘Dewi, is that you?’

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