Lucy Letby: have you changed your mind - thread 3

[Typicalwave]

New thread for those following or wishing to comment - originally started by @kittybythelighthouse.

@Typicalwave yes, what @Oftenaddled said. I’m not sure what the source is for that part of the claim. It’s probably dot joining as it did prevent a coronial inquest from taking place.

I do think the recent Panorama Documentary did one useful thing - they got him to expose himself. These clips of his part in it make fascinating viewing

I’ve not changed my mind because I never believed she was guilty. Having watched the recent documentary, I’m
even more secure with that view point.

The evidence that was presented. The notes, I think it’s more than what the defence say she meant.

Also the video of her being arrested. She looked resigned to me and not in the least bit shocked, as if she was expecting it.
Maybe she is innocent but I don’t think so.

What about the parents of a baby who she never even looked after? You can't claim she forged a relationship with the parents that time...yet there she was looking them up.

I think she could easily have been expecting the arrest at some level because she had been suspended from nursing duty for two years, the police investigation has been going on for one year, and at least one of the consultants in the hospital she was still working at was sharing information about the investigation with other members of his medical network. So she knew what was going on and would have been pretty scared whether she was guilty or innocent.

Who's that, then?

The notes whilst they look bad have a reasonable explanation. She went to therapy and that was a way to release emotions by writing stuff down, fears, thoughts, worries etc so it’s not as it seems.

Regarding how she appears upon arrest, she’s been in and out of the police station several times and she knew they were lining the blame on her so it wasn’t out of the blue. She’ll have been in some shock as well because it’s one thing getting questioned but another getting arrested.

It just goes to show how two people can see things very differently

She wasn’t shocked. That arrest video was her third arrest. She had been under investigation for a couple of years at that point. She had been removed from the unit already and interviewed by the police several times.

Many people think there was a covert police investigation and then they arrested her out of the blue, but that’s not at all what happened.

It's just awful. No lessons learnt.

Listened to This Morning Radio 4 about a mum who had a stillbirth and all her concerns were ignored. Incredibly heartbreaking.

I specified the indictment families. The anecdote you’re talking about, which didn’t appear at Thirlwall or in the trial, is not from any of the indictment parents.

Also, it is not my “claim” that she forged relationships with the parents at the time. That’s based on their own words as evidence at the trial and Thirlwall. As my comment illustrated, her looking them up was not sinister to begin with.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/lucy-letby-killer-nurse-godmother-b2400484.html

If it’s yhd on in July 2018 I think she looks broken.

So many different things people read into expressions.

I think a lot of people forget we all see the world through our own lenses and it makes us pretty unreliable mind readers

Source, please? You’re a repeat offender for this - making a claim and not backing it up with any source material

I think she looks harrowed, yes. But not shocked because it isn’t a brand new thing. She knew she was being investigated.

All of the evidence?

The notes where she said all sorts of contradictory things including she’d done nothing wrong?

A 10 second clip of a fairly unremarkable facial expression informed you of her guilt?

Why would I lie lol. I'll hopefully have something about it by tomorrow-if not I'll concede I misunderstood/misremembered. I never said she refused to agree to it-how could she anyway she was just a nurse! We know she had management wrapped around her finger and her dad threatening them but still...

Hold on, who are you talking about here? Which parents of a “baby she never looked after” are you referring to?

That's because I expect the self-proclaimed experts on here to already know all this. I'll have a dig for that as well-people expect instant results on here when there's mountains of articles to wade through!

But you’re a self proclaimed expert - you were here when it was all fields, way before the NYT article. And I may be wrong, but I cannot recall you ever coming back with evidence after you’ve made a claim.

I didn’t accuse you of lying, Firefly! I said you hadn’t produced evidence that she got in the way of CCTV being installed - I’ll dig out your actual comment if you want the exact wording. I don’t believe you’ll be able to produce that evidence. Not because you’re lying, but because you’re misremembering. I don’t jump to assuming malicious intent for anybody, you included. Therefore it’s a bit premature to be dancing on my grave over something that didn’t happen 😅

It could be the one with the unusual name-does that ring a bell with you? Until I can find a source I'm going by memory.

Who has proclaimed themselves to be an expert? Also, why are you being so abrasive? Let’s all try to be civil.

OK good just checking lol. It was more she wasn't happy about the idea but again just going from memory there until I can find it. I'm sure her reaction is probably all open to interpretation anyway. It was an interesting point I thought though-that CCTV WAS actually considered at one point.

I've changed my mind yes.

At first I thought she was innocent. Now I know she's guilty.

An evil serial killer. Murderer. I have sympathies for the families of those murdered. I can't believe the lack of compassion for the parents by some, trying to justify it by saying 'the parents would rather know the truth'. Well they know the truth.

Do you mean the family she looked up on Christmas Day? She had looked after one of their children, not the indictment sibling. She was looking them up in the context of that baby, who she had looked after.

Also, she was on shift that Christmas Day. Not tucked up under the Christmas tree opening pressies with her parents. Lots of people don’t realise that.