Witches - spell help

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Hey, looking for some advice as in all the years of spell work I have never had this happen before.

i did a spell on the full moon, all very well intentioned, to help me save money. I lit a candle in a special place to me, set my intention, and the candle blew out quite quickly. It was near a window, so I took it to mean spell completed ie wish made.

i took the candle home and lit it again later on the lionsgate portal night to strengthen my resolve. The wax kind of dripped on to my finger and burned me a lot. I’ve never had that happen before. I looked it up and some say it’s a warning (what can it be warning me about, it’s literally just to make me save money 😂) or - very differing view - the spell needed some kind of karmic or energy payment from me, and I “paid” with the burn to add strength and resolve to the spell.

any thoughts? I’ve done this a long time and never cast bad or ill intentioned spells so I don’t know what this was about! Has someone hexed me?

blessed be x

Quite. All major conflict of mankind has religion at the heart of it. The damage done to the human race due to religious belief is horrifying. And as a wise man once said, if you are fervently religious, you believe in YOUR god and reject everyone else's. So the rest of us non religious people believe in only one fewer gods than religious believers do.

I do not think that religion deserves respect either. I think that religion, while I can see some appealing aspects of it and I understand why our ancestors created it to explain phenomena that they couldn’t understand, but ultimately I think that it’s harmful and one of humanity’s worst inventions.

I have no respect for religion. I can respect people’s right to their religion or beliefs but they have no right for those beliefs to go unquestioned.

I do not think that woo(or religious woo) in any form is harmless. I believe that it is very harmful because it encourages people away from actions that actually work and benefit from them such as medicine, grief counselling and debt management to mediums, homeopathy, prayer, spells and manifestation.

It drives vulnerable people to mediums, witch doctors and the like. It encourages to seek answers from people who make money by actively deceiving them and exploiting their vulnerabilities and their grief.

We have people dying from cancer and aids because they have been encouraged to avoid contraception or are told to use potions and leaves in order to treat their very real illness.

There are numerous species at very real risk of going extinct because people are convinced that tiger parts, rhino horns, shark fins, pangolin scales etc are a genuinely useful form of medicine. We even have people with albinism or young children
being murdered for body parts because witch doctors believe or convince people that they can use them for medicine and to bring them financial gain.

There are people with genuine neurological or mental health problems being told to cleanse their house with sage, pay a fortune to a scamming with doctor to remove a curse or call an exorcist because others believe in spirits instead of getting some real help for their very real problems.

And no your average woo believer might not be lopping off hands in order to use them for “witchcraft” but they do encourage a general belief in all things woo in spite of there being no evidence for ghosts, spells, psychics and all other things woo. It all contributes to legitimise its widespread belief, turns people away from genuinely helpful solutions and makes it more likely that vulnerable people will be exploited by the unscrupulous among us. These things and the people exploiting others would not exist if there was no market for them.

If you enjoy candles, crystals, making tisanes or playing around with herbs. Then great. Have at it but don’t expect others to give your beliefs that they genuinely work any credence.

@Heresmycontroversialopinion well assuming everyone is monotheistic, yes one fewer god.

The wise man forgot about all the pantheistic religions did he? Typical fella, not seeing the shades of grey.

It was thank you. I’ve been very cautious since. It was my fault really but newspapers lifting MN threads was very new then and as it wasn’t my thread I really didn’t expect it.

I will try to give you an explanation. One example of bad energy is putting negative energy out into the world such as spiteful, rude, ignorant or judgmental comments on mumsnet...people are often smug about online anonymity, however karma is always waiting patiently and biding her time whether you believe in her or not, she certainly believes in and remembers you...The more nasty energy you put out in the form of negative comments designed to upset people, the more potent and malevolent that karma becomes. HTH 👁

Anyway. I’ve said my piece now. Rant over. I’ve just had a lovely scone with cream and jam and a latte in Waitrose cafe so I’m in a better mood now so I genuinely hope(Metaphorically speaking) that you all have a good day and a good weekend, whatever your beliefs.

@IHateWasps there’s a lot to unpack. Obviously I can’t disagree with a lot of this - charlatans and fraudsters preying on vulnerable and trusting people - it’s awful.

My great-gran got captured by that - some mail order scam selling her a tube of soil claiming it was from the garden of Gethsamene. Cost her £20. We managed to stop it - she was so disappointed.

But… risk of throwing baby out with the bath water?

Many devout people do bad things. Many bad people do things in the name of religious devotion.

Bad people will find ways to be bad, I think.

What about all the people who do terrible things and never get their 'karma' plenty of peadophiles and murderers that have got through life with no consequences.
What about victims who suffered at their hands, who never did anything to deserve it? Should they believe they were such a bad person that they deserved what they got?
People disagreeing with you is called a debate not bad energy, not is it spiteful, rude or ignorant.
You can disagree with me, but I won't accuse you of being any of those things except for potentially ignorant if you happily ignore any proveable facts with nonsense as in that case you would be willfully ignorant
Debate isn't necessary a bad thing

Well not really, because pantheistic religion is still belief in "God" in a form of the believer's choosing - characterising nature as a god-like system - versus the complete absence of a belief in any god whatsoever.

Totally understand. I’ve made a few sarky comments on this Chat thread, because, well, I thought that witchcraft was a ludicrous idea that died out centuries ago in the face of rationality and enlightenment values.

But then I got a scam text and discovered we’re out of toilet paper. That’ll teach me!

Oh sorry, I wrote pantheism and I meant to write polytheism (literally, the belief in the existence of more than one god).

If I believe in 131 gods and you believe in none, then you believe in 131 fewer gods than me. My neighbour might believe in 100 gods, so only 31 gods fewer than me.

I’n tired of this line of debate let’s find something more interesting.

@DenizenOfAisleOfShame 😂😂😂

Karma’s a bitch, as the saying goes.

Hey @DenizenOfAisleOfShame yes you’ve been conditioned to think our modern way of thinking is the best and only true way of thinking…did you read my post about “White western male 19th century thinking” syndrome?

The Enlightenment has a lot to answer for - namely that the 19th century spun out some pretty dangerous and damaging ideas along with the “good stuff”. Do some historical research on this. Once you “see it”, you can’t unsee it.

Yes, I did wonder, and frankly you are being the literal one in that case. The essence of the remark being, criticising the non-religious on behalf of all the religious is somewhat hypocritical, given that the religious people have their own god - or gods - and have as much "disrespect" and disbelief in all the other gods as the atheists do. And it is that disrespect and disbelief, and their own belief, that is at the heart of practically every conflict in the history of mankind.

BTW, you chose to engage with my posts that were not addressed to you in the first place, so your tiredness is of your own making. Call it karma.

Important stuff. I’ll ponder it after I’ve picked up a megapack of cheap bog roll from Iceland.

I’m sorry to admit on MN that I shop in Iceland. But I’ve found it a more reliable way to improve my finances than pouring hot wax on my hand.

I'm not scared of big cats. I saw lions in the distance at a safari park when I was about 9 and they did nothing to me - they were in the distance, I was in my sister's car, I knew that you obviously didn't get out but I wasn't scared at all. But actually being close to something in the gloom that meets all the required stimuli to be something stalking triggered unconscious reactions and all the hormones and nerve endings were fired up.

Do you think the more godly shop in Waitrose and that's why they need to prayer, or birm themselves with hot wax to try sort their finances?
I hope karma doesn't punish you with an empty shelf of toilet roll. My thoughts and prayers are with you 😂

@Heresmycontroversialopinion well, sure you can level that criticism and you’re right that certain interpretations of faith lead to intolerance. But like many generalisms it doesn’t really stand up to scrutiny.

I have many friends with a strong faith who don’t want to start religious wars and instead live alongside their religious neighbours peaceably.

Perhaps there’s a deep-rooted cognitive dissonance there. Happily humanity can cope with those.

😂😂😂

I think you should have posted this in Religion and not in general chat. Many people here won't know what you're talking about.

I actually believe everyone gets karma but in their next lifetime. That's why it's not so apparent.

Ah okay so those victims must have just been bad people in a previous life then? Better stop having sympathy for any of them as it was their punishment? ....

Yes I do believe that when someone makes bad energy e.g. gossiping, doing bad things, saying bad things, it can manifest and attract more bad energy e.g. other people with bad intentions and accidents etc even some illnesses.

I was giving an example of bad energy as she asked for an example so I'm not sure why you're taking my comment personally...?
There are however people who use resources such as mumsnet to upset people day after day and they're clearly lacking something spiritually, personally I'd hate to be walking around with their karma.
I'm not arrogant enough to think I have the answers for everything and your beliefs don't concern me either way, I'll continue to protect my energy and leave you to believe what you want.

@DenizenOfAisleOfShame you are right, I never thought about it that way. Spell-casting doesn’t come up often on the CoL threads. Perhaps that’s why everyone on there is poor as a church mouse. Food for thought.