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Ukraine Invasion: Part 58

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MagicFox · 10/08/2025 12:16

We’re all still here for Thread 58. Thanks to all regular contributors, especially those doing the daily hard work. Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦

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SummerEve · 17/08/2025 11:18

Mb76 · 17/08/2025 11:05

I am very worried.

also the thought of the possibility of having to state “Donetsk, Russia” as opposed to Donetsk Ukraine, as my place of birth (required for passport and even when travelling internationally) makes me sick to my stomach 😞

💐 I have no words. It’s a betrayal.

heldinadream · 17/08/2025 11:31

@Mb76 I hope you never have to do that. 💔

LlttledrummergirI · 17/08/2025 11:31

It feels as though Trump is dragging this out to benefit Putin. How many people have died unnecessarily due to his constant changing of mind.

It's like a circular event.

Trump says he supports Ukraine and makes the right noises.
Trump arranges tete a tete with Putin.
Trump and Putin say Ukraine must capitulate.
The rest of the world says fuck off.
Trump says he supports Ukraine, and round we go again.

In the meantime many more lives are lost.

Trump needs to get on board with a simple message- putin needs to get the fuck out of Ukraine. Instead he's being a duplicitous piece of shit.

AnnaBalfour · 17/08/2025 12:05

@Mb76

I am sorry 😔

I hope that by some miracle this gross miscarriage of justice doesn’t come to be

MMBaranova · 17/08/2025 12:53

The Melania letter is getting picked up in Russian media (insofar as I glance at it).

There's also so chatter about the 2012 mini-land swap between Ukraine and Moldova to say that Ukraine's borders are not set. In essence a tidy up to put a road inside Ukraine and give Moldova some land for a port.

Pasted [with a minor tidy]:

On November 26, 2012, the issue of Ukraine transferring 430 km (120 ha) of its territory on the left bank of the Prut and Danube rivers to Moldova was finally closed, in exchange for receiving 7.7 km (18 ha) of the Odessa-Izmail highway in the area of the village of Palanka (Stefan-Vodsky district of Moldova), which passed through the territory of Moldova.

On these 430 m of former Ukrainian territory, Chisinau built the international and state port of Giurgiulesti (120 ha) in the Cahul region of Moldova, which brought this land [-locked] republic into the ranks of maritime countries.

Igotjelly · 17/08/2025 16:12

Unless Steve has misinterpreted what Putin said (again) this could be really significant.

Ukraine Invasion: Part 58
heldinadream · 17/08/2025 16:25

@Igotjelly I think the word 'eventual' is the get out clause there. He's offered it as part of an eventual deal; if he's not offered by our side what he wants - the Ukrainian territories - then there won't be a deal, so he's - in his mind - under no obligation to agree to any security guarantees. That's how I'm reading it.
He's a cast iron wily snake, he's not giving anything.

minsmum · 17/08/2025 16:45

Well from having no cards at his last meeting with Trump, looks like President Zelensky had a deck this time

PiggyPigalle · 17/08/2025 18:22

Only swap I see as beneficial, is Hungary out and Ukraine in.

blueshoes · 17/08/2025 21:42

It ain't over yet.

FT article - Russia, Ukraine and Europe are all trying to manipulate Trump
Kyiv and its western allies will attempt to turn the near disaster of Anchorage into a success

https://archive.ph/MXOhQ

DuncinToffee · 18/08/2025 08:39

So, apparently a new Ukrainian cruise missile has entered the chat.

3,000+ km range, 1,000 kg payload capacity. That's the long-range, heavy-hitter Ukraine has been waiting for.

The fact that this leaked today is unlikely to be a coincidence.

https://bsky.app/profile/frhoffmann.bsky.social/post/3lwmpdpxg322d

notimagain · 18/08/2025 09:07

Well the numbers (range and warhead) as released are impressive..

heldinadream · 18/08/2025 09:37

Does anyone know if it's certain that horror-show J.D. Vance won't be there today?
I'm so glad Zelenskyy has got all that European back-up this time but I still don't trust the bullies a single micrometre.

SummerEve · 18/08/2025 09:50

heldinadream · 18/08/2025 09:37

Does anyone know if it's certain that horror-show J.D. Vance won't be there today?
I'm so glad Zelenskyy has got all that European back-up this time but I still don't trust the bullies a single micrometre.

According to SKY news he left Scotland yesterday so unfortunately it’s a possibility

heldinadream · 18/08/2025 10:05

SummerEve · 18/08/2025 09:50

According to SKY news he left Scotland yesterday so unfortunately it’s a possibility

Damn. Thanks, @SummerEve. If he's on his way back I bet he's going to be there.

All this country hopping, it's a bunch of stressed and jetlagged people in a room together too, which can't help.
Putin didn't have to go far and couldn't resist dangling a trip to Moscow in front of Trump's craven ego.

DuncinToffee · 18/08/2025 10:10

https://bsky.app/profile/noelreports.com/post/3lwnxrjhawk2x

AI? No it’s not. Russian media is circulating footage of Russians assaulting Ukrainian positions in Zaporizhzhia while carrying an American flag. A pathetic propaganda stunt that only underscores Moscow’s desperation.

SummerEve · 18/08/2025 10:26

I feel more uncomfortable about today than I did about Friday!

heldinadream · 18/08/2025 10:43

@SummerEve I feel very nervous about it but at the same time relieved that at least some proper statesmen and women will be there. It's a pretty extraordinary scenario.

heldinadream · 18/08/2025 10:55

Fantasy outcome - if Trump maintains his idiotic ignorant craven narcissistic support of Putin - and why wouldn't he? - the rest finally make a decision to give Ukraine instant membership of Nato with the commitment to support that that entails.
Then what?
After appeasement collapses there is war. '...no such undertaking has been received, and consequently...'
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_declaration_of_war_on_Germany_(1939)

British declaration of war on Germany (1939) - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_declaration_of_war_on_Germany_(1939)

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 18/08/2025 11:13

Today's losses

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■ Attacks mostly supported by unarmored vehicles
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■ Massive aerial attacks, but enemy strikes below average

Ukraine Invasion: Part 58
Desdemonashandkerchief · 18/08/2025 13:37

United 24 Media:

🔹 NATO confirmed that Secretary General Mark Rutte will travel to Washington to join talks between US President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, along with several European leaders.
Among them are European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, German Chancellor Friedrich Merz, Finnish President Alexander Stubb, French President Emmanuel Macron and Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni.

🔸 European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said that Ukraine must become “a steel porcupine that no attacker can digest.”

🔹 Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said that Putin has had no success in the Donetsk region and has been unable to capture it in 12 years.

“We need real negotiations. This means they can start where the front line is now,” Zelenskyy noted.

🔸 European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said that the 19th package of sanctions against Russia will be adopted in early September.

🔹 US Secretary of State Marco Rubio said that the United States does not support the idea of transferring the entire territory of Donbas under Russian control.

When asked whether Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, Zaporizhzhia and Crimea could be handed over to Putin, Rubio replied:

“The Ukrainians are not ready to give it up, and no one is pressuring Ukraine to give it up… If there is a peace agreement, it will not look like this.”

🔸 Sanctions are getting in the way. The only way to end this war is to get the Russians to agree to a peace deal, said US Secretary of State Marco Rubio.

“To end this war, you have to be able to engage with the Russians. As much as some people may like it or find it unpleasant, the only way is to get them to agree to peace. And once new sanctions are imposed, the ability to bring them to the negotiating table is diminished,” Rubio noted.

⚡️President Zelenskyy said that Russia is currently showing no signs of agreeing to a trilateral meeting.

“So far, Russia is not showing any signs that trilateral meetings will take place. And if Russia refuses, then new sanctions are needed,” Zelenskyy stated during a joint press briefing with European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen in Brussels on August 17.

❗️The Constitution of Ukraine makes it impossible to renounce territory or trade land, — President Zelenskyy after a meeting with EU leaders.

“We need real negotiations, and this means they can begin where the front line is now. The contact line is the best line for negotiations. And the Europeans support this,” the President said.

He stressed that Ukraine “needs security that will work in practice, like NATO’s Article 5.”

“We consider joining the EU part of security guarantees. And we heard from President Trump that America and Putin see it the same way,” Zelenskyy added.

🔹 Statements by world leaders after the virtual meeting of the Coalition of the Willing:

“If there is no ceasefire agreement, the EU and the US should increase pressure on Russia. Ukraine’s sovereign right to determine its own terms for peace must be respected, and Europe stands ready to contribute to security guarantees,” — President of the European Council António Costa.

“There is a strong consensus among the coalition countries on the need to continue supporting Ukraine. Europe and the US are strengthening their common position and will continue to do so tomorrow in Washington,” — President of Finland Alexander Stubb.

“We agreed that the immediate priority should be to stop the killings, and that clear security guarantees for Ukraine from the United States and Europe will be absolutely necessary for further negotiations,” — Prime Minister of the Czech Republic Petr Fiala.

🔸 “There is only one state that offers peace, which would be a capitulation — Russia,” French President Emmanuel Macron said following the meeting of the “Coalition of the Willing,” quoted by Le Monde.

“If we are weak with Moscow, we are preparing for the conflicts of tomorrow. I am convinced that we must enter a new diplomatic stage. We are going there [to Washington to meet with Donald Trump] not only to support Volodymyr Zelenskyy, but also to protect the interests of Europeans,” Macron added.

⚡️“Tomorrow will be the hour when Ukraine will decide its fate,” said European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen.

She stressed that Ukraine must become a “steel porcupine” that no attacker can digest and emphasized the need for security guarantees to preserve Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. According to her, there can be no restrictions on the Ukrainian Armed Forces or on assistance from other countries.

Von der Leyen welcomed the US President’s intention to push for security guarantees similar to NATO’s Article 5 and noted that the EU, along with the “coalition of the willing,” is ready to contribute. She also confirmed that the 19th package of EU sanctions against Russia could be adopted as early as September.

🔹 “Coalition of the Willing” is ready to deploy deterrent forces in Ukraine after the end of hostilities and to protect its air and sea space.

After an online meeting with President Zelenskyy, the leaders of the participating countries declared the readiness of the “Coalition of the Willing” to play a key role in future security guarantees. In particular, this concerns a multinational force that can be deployed on the territory of Ukraine to safeguard its air and maritime domains.

The statement also notes that Trump’s commitment to provide security guarantees to Ukraine is considered the basis of a future agreement, and the coalition will serve as a “pillar” of this architecture.

🔸 The Ukrainian Armed Forces struck a Russian military column in the Kursk region last night. Among the personnel, Lieutenant General Abachev was likely present and reportedly sustained serious injuries.

❗️Russian Armed Forces struck a residential apartment building in Kharkiv with a ballistic missile, — Mayor Terekhov.

🤬 Russian terrorists killed a 15-year-old boy in Zaporizhzhia region, — Regional Military Administration.
The occupiers struck the village of Novoyakovlivka with FABs. Six people were wounded, including two children.
One house was destroyed, and nearby houses were damaged.

🔹 On the night of August 18, Russian drones attacked Odesa region, causing a large-scale fire at a fuel and energy infrastructure facility.

🔸 The Russians attacked Zaporizhzhia, leaving four people injured.
According to the head of the regional military administration Ivan Fedorov, the strike targeted the city’s critical infrastructure, with two confirmed hits. Damage has not yet been reported, but all victims are receiving medical care.

🔹 Today is a day of mourning in Kharkiv. Five people were killed, including a one-and-a-half-year-old girl. Twenty more were injured, the youngest just six years old, Mayor Ihor Terekhov said.

“These are the consequences of a terrorist attack on a residential building. My sincere condolences to the families and friends of all the victims. Kharkiv remembers every victim. And Kharkiv will definitely stand.”

‼️ The number of victims of the Russian attack on Zaporizhzhia has risen to 17.

❗️The Russians have struck the oil depot of the Azerbaijani oil company SOCAR for the second time in a month — this time destroying it.

According to the Azerbaijani outlet MINVAL, several direct hits caused a large fire.

All tanks, the pumping station building, operator and weighing facilities, technical premises, and the fence were destroyed. The depot had a storage capacity of more than 16,000 cubic meters.

According to Serhiy Kuyun, director of the “A-95 Consulting Group,” the oil depot was completely destroyed.

🔸 In Budapest, Ukraine is once again being accused and threatened.

“Ukraine has once again attacked the oil pipeline leading to Hungary, cutting off supplies. This latest strike against our energy security is outrageous and unacceptable!

Russian Deputy Energy Minister Pavel Sorokin informed me that experts are working to restore the transformer station essential for operating the pipeline, but for now they cannot say when deliveries will resume.

For 3.5 years Brussels and Kyiv have tried to drag Hungary into the war in Ukraine. These repeated Ukrainian attacks on our energy supply serve that same purpose.

Let me be clear: this is not our war. We have nothing to do with it, and as long as we are in charge, Hungary will stay out of it.

Finally, a reminder to Ukrainian decision-makers: electricity from Hungary plays a vital role in powering your country…,” wrote Foreign Minister Péter Szijjártó on X.

Desdemonashandkerchief · 18/08/2025 13:47

Live:Ukraine

🇪🇺🇺🇦🇺🇸 European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen will join the meeting between Zelensky and Trump.

“At President Zelensky’s request, I will join the meeting with President Donald Trump and other European leaders at the White House tomorrow,” she wrote.

She added that today she will welcome Zelensky in Brussels, from where they will join the video conference of the “Coalition of the Willing.”

🇺🇸🇺🇦 Several European leaders will travel to the U.S. together with Zelensky.

In addition to the European Commission President, French President Emmanuel Macron, Finnish President Alexander Stubb, German Chancellor Friedrich Merz, NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte, Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni, and UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer have officially confirmed their participation.

🇺🇦🇪🇺 President Zelensky and European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen held a press conference. Key points:

Ursula von der Leyen:

about:blank 🔴The European Commission expects the 19th sanctions package against Russia to be adopted in early September.

about:blank 🔴The EU maintains its position that talks about Ukraine cannot take place without Ukraine.

Volodymyr Zelensky:

about:blank 🔴Real negotiations can only stem from the current front line. Territorial issues may only be discussed at a trilateral meeting of the leaders of Ukraine, the U.S., and Russia. So far, there have been no signals from the Russian side.

about:blank 🔴There can be no division between Ukraine and Moldova in the EU integration process. If it happens, it would show that Europe is not united on Ukraine.

🇺🇸 White House officials made a series of statements regarding negotiations with Russia and Ukraine.

Trump’s Special Envoy Steve Witkoff in an interview with CNN:

about:blank 🔴Trump and Putin agreed on “reliable security guarantees,” such as “protection from the United States under Article 5.” But NATO membership for Ukraine remains a “red flag” for Putin.

about:blank 🔴Putin agreed to “legally enshrine” in a potential peace deal that Russia will have no right to enter any other territory — neither in Ukraine nor elsewhere in Europe.

about:blank 🔴The issue of exchanging territories currently under Ukraine’s control will be discussed tomorrow at Trump and Zelensky’s meeting.

about:blank 🔴“Moscow made concessions regarding five regions of Ukraine […] The concessions Russia agreed to mean that it will not absorb all of Ukraine.”

Secretary of State Marco Rubio in an interview with NBC:

about:blank 🔴Both Ukraine and Russia will have to make concessions to reach a peace deal.

about:blank 🔴The U.S. is working to ensure security guarantees for Ukraine — Russia must understand this Ukrainian demand.

about:blank 🔴The U.S. is not pushing Ukraine to give up territory. If there is a peace agreement, it won’t look that way.

about:blank 🔴“The only way to end this war is to force Russia to agree to a peace deal. Once you impose new sanctions, your ability to bring them to the negotiating table is reduced.”

President Donald Trump also wrote on Truth Social about “major progress regarding Russia.”

💥 Ukrainian Defense Forces have severely wounded Russian Lieutenant General Esedulla Abachev — his arm and leg have been amputated.

On the night of August 17, Ukrainian units attacked an enemy column on the Rylsk–Khomutovka highway in Russia’s Kursk region.

General Abachev is the deputy commander of the Russian army’s “North” grouping of forces. At the start of the full-scale invasion, he commanded troops in the Luhansk region.

In September 2022, Ukraine’s Security Service (SBU) charged him in absentia for committing war crimes.

🔹 President Zelensky called Sunday’s meeting with the “Coalition of the Willing” in Brussels “very useful,” where Ukraine and European representatives coordinated their positions ahead of his visit to Washington for talks with U.S. President Donald Trump.

He described as “historic” the U.S. decision to join in providing security guarantees for Ukraine.

🔸 Associated Press journalist Efrem Lukatsky has published photos of the Ukrainian cruise missile “Flamingo,” developed by the company Fire Point.

According to his report, the missile has already entered serial production. (photo 1)

🇺🇦 Zelensky is ready to agree to an “acceptable compromise” along the current front line.

According to the Financial Times, citing a senior Ukrainian official close to the president, Zelensky’s goal at his upcoming meeting with Donald Trump is to establish a “productive peace process without pressure on Ukraine to take impossible steps, such as withdrawing troops” from Ukrainian-controlled areas of Donbas.

🪖 Russia is preparing an offensive in the Zaporizhzhia sector with the aim of seizing the entire region, Commander-in-Chief Syrskyi told RBC-Ukraine.

The occupiers are currently regrouping and concentrating on two main axes: the Pokrovsk direction, which remains decisive for them, and Zaporizhzhia, where they are redeploying troops from the Sumy region.

According to Syrskyi, the fighting in Zaporizhzhia is currently of low intensity, but the Russians are attempting to deliver a “powerful strike” that had originally been planned a year ago, after the Pokrovsk direction.

He stressed that Russia’s objective in Zaporizhzhia is to break through Ukraine’s defenses, advance deeper into the territory, and occupy the entire region.

🇭🇺 The Hungarian opposition is demanding that Russia refrain from interfering in the country’s foreign policy.

“Hungary belongs solely to the Hungarian people. No foreign state — whether ally, adversary, or anyone else — has the right to try to influence our political future or determine the outcome of our elections,” said opposition leader Péter Magyar.

Earlier, Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service issued a statement portraying Magyar as “loyal to globalist elites,” claiming that the European Commission is considering regime change in Budapest.

Before that, Magyar had accused Russia of meddling in the elections and of using its intelligence services to undermine his campaign against Prime Minister Viktor Orbán.

▪️Magyar’s party, Tisza, is leading Orbán’s Fidesz in most polls ahead of the parliamentary elections scheduled for next spring.

🇭🇺 Szijjártó accused Kyiv of carrying out an attack that halted the supply of Russian oil to Hungary.

The Hungarian diplomat did not specify the name of the pipeline, but it may refer to Druzhba — the historic channel for delivering Urals crude (a grade of Russian oil that accounts for more than 50% of Hungary’s imports).

“Brussels and Kyiv have been trying for three and a half years to drag Hungary into the war in Ukraine, and Ukraine’s increasingly frequent attacks on our energy security are also aimed at this,” Szijjártó complained.

The Hungarian official stressed that the Russia-Ukraine war is “not Hungary’s war” and underlined that his country “wants to stay out of it” as long as Prime Minister Orbán’s government remains in power.

❗️The US and its allies have agreed that a potential trilateral summit involving the leaders of Ukraine, the United States, and Russia will be held in Europe, Sky News reports.

During the weekend videoconference of the “coalition of the willing,” Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni proposed Rome as the venue, while French President Emmanuel Macron suggested Geneva.

According to reports, both Zelensky and Trump prefer Rome — specifically the Vatican — while Putin favors Geneva.

Ukraine Invasion: Part 58
Desdemonashandkerchief · 18/08/2025 13:53

Kyiv Post:

🔹 Russian forces carried out a deliberate strike on a residential home in Kharkiv.

Five Shahed drones circled in from different directions before locking onto the building. They weren’t targeting the military, the city’s mayor said — they were targeting civilians, asleep in their beds at 5 a.m.

At least six people were killed, including an entire family: a mother, a father, a grandmother, and two children, the youngest just 18 months old.

🔸 “This was a demonstrative and cynical Russian strike. They are aware that a meeting is taking place today in Washington that will address the end of the war.

Everyone seeks dignified peace and true security. And at this very moment, the Russians are attacking Ukraine.

Russians are deliberately killing people, particularly children. As of now, seven people have been killed as a result of the drone strike in Kharkiv, the youngest being a girl who is only a year and a half old, and dozens have been injured, including children. In Zaporizhzhia, missile strikes injured 20 people and killed three.

The Russian war machine continues to destroy lives despite everything. Putin will commit demonstrative killings to maintain pressure on Ukraine and Europe, as well as to humiliate diplomatic efforts. That is precisely why we are seeking assistance to put an end to the killings. That is why reliable security guarantees are required. That is why Russia should not be rewarded for its participation in this war. The war must be ended. And it is Moscow that must hear the word: Stop” Zelensky said.

🔹 Rachel Scott — the only journalist who asked Putin about killing Ukrainians.
At the August 17 press conference, ABC News’ Rachel Scott stood out as the only journalist to directly confront Vladimir Putin.
Her question cut through the talk of sanctions and strategy:
“Mr. Putin, will you commit to not killing any more civilians?”
Putin offered no answer.
Scott, known for her fearless reporting — including a 2021 challenge to Putin on political repression — again showed what real journalism looks like.

🔸 White House officials asked Ukrainian counterparts whether President Volodymyr Zelensky would appear in a suit for his Monday meeting with Donald Trump in the Oval Office, Axios reported, citing own sources.

The outlet notes that Zelensky is expected to arrive at the White House today wearing the same black jacket he wore at the NATO summit in the Netherlands in June.

“It would be a good sign for peace if Zelensky wore a suit today. But we don’t expect him to,” one Trump adviser told Axios.
[These people need to get a f***g life, what possible difference does it make if he wears a suit or not!]

blueshoes · 18/08/2025 13:55

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-august-17-2025

Key Takeaways:

  • US officials acknowledged that Putin has yet to demonstrate a willingness to offer the concessions necessary to reach a peace agreement.
  • Russia will be unable to seize the remainder of Donetsk Oblast rapidly through force, as Russian forces have failed to do for over a decade. Russia could only rapidly seize all of Donetsk Oblast if Ukraine concedes to Putin's demand and withdraws from the remainder of the oblast.
  • Russian forces have historically thrown themselves into costly campaigns to seize fortified or urban areas in eastern Ukraine, a reality far from Putin's claims of rapid advances.
  • Recent Russian advances northeast of Pokrovsk do not indicate that Russia can rapidly seize fortified or urban areas.
  • Russia continues to deny Ukraine's sovereignty and to demand the right to dictate Ukrainian domestic affairs.
  • Russian President Vladimir Putin's insistence that any peace agreement must address Russia's perceived "root causes" of the war will make it difficult to reach a peace agreement as rapidly as Trump desires, given the complexity of the "root causes."
  • Russia's "root causes" extend beyond Ukraine, and eliminating them would require substantial negotiations with NATO.
  • Putin's offer of a Russian law forbidding a future invasion of Ukraine is not credible because Russia has already twice broken previous binding international commitments not to invade and because Putin has shown that he can freely change Russian law as he desires.
  • The details about Ukrainian security guarantees to which Putin may have agreed remain unclear at this time, but the Kremlin may be attempting to resurrect its demands about security guarantors from April 2022 that would have neutered such guarantees.
  • Ukrainian forces recently advanced in northern Sumy Oblast and near Toretsk. Russian forces recently advanced near Pokrovsk.
LlttledrummergirI · 18/08/2025 14:44

White House officials asked Ukrainian counterparts whether President Volodymyr Zelensky would appear in a suit for his Monday meeting with Donald Trump in the Oval Office, Axios reported, citing own sources.

The outlet notes that Zelensky is expected to arrive at the White House today wearing the same black jacket he wore at the NATO summit in the Netherlands in June.

“It would be a good sign for peace if Zelensky wore a suit today. But we don’t expect him to,” one Trump adviser told Axios.
[These people need to get a f*g life, what possible difference does it make if he wears a suit or not!]

They are fucking ridiculous!

Wouldn't it be nice if the American President showed good manners to his guests by greeting them in their own language? Or apologises for his rude behaviour last time he hosted Zelensky?

Fuckwits.

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