Thread 28 Starmer - Weodmonath

[DuncinToffee]

The month of Agustus we call the weed month in our language, for these grow most in this month.”

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I would think Corbyn is safe, though he will be 80 by the next GE.

That's one of the lesser picked up suggestions from the developments in polling since 1997. It's why FPTP is seriously on it's way out.

Maybe that’s a good thing. As someone effectively disenfranchised by living in Tory central I’m quite excited at the thought of my vote actually counting at last.

Couldn’t agree more with this

I have voted Plaid in the past but not in a GE however my Labour MP is excellent so I’ll do what I can to keep her. The seat is a long way from being safe. I’m still not sure about the Senedd vote though, it’ll be a tactical one I think.

I don't normally support Starmer, but to be fair to the man this just means he has read the Refugee Convention signed by 149 States which makes it clear that it is only legal to enter a country without permission if fleeing immediate danger.

Immediate. As in the Gestapo are chasing you - which of course doesn't apply to someone leaving France.

So yes everyone in the boats is an illegal immigrant and committing a crime.

Does it need to be tactical now we have full PR?

I fear you are being a bit simplistic, as is Labour's awful soundbite.

That’s a very narrow definition of the word immediate and of the Convention. They were in immediate danger when they left their country and are under no obligation to stay in the first safe place they come to. Therefore as far as I can see the immediate danger is what precipitated them leaving their home country and still applies to entering the U.K. There are no safe routes to the U.K. for the vast majority of asylum seekers. What I’d like is to stop the boats (dangerous and exploitative) by providing safer means to apply - not be demonising and interpreting the convention in a ‘convenient’ way.
For the second time today, I don’t think I’m explaining myself well though.

A large number of refugees are escaping the Taliban, that is immediate danger.

If that's what immediate danger meant none of the Kindertransport children should have got here, or onwards. Other examples are available from recent history.

I went to a gym class today which involved (amongst a lot of other things) hitting tractor tyres hard with a sledgehammer. It has been useful in working out s9me tension caused by <gestures around at stuff in general>

I can recommend.

Apparently in Afghanistan they are going to resume stoning women accused of adultery.

Good reason for men who don’t agree with doing that to get out and get their wives and daughters out too, I’d have thought.
People (not you @derxa ) do forget refugees by definition are at odds with the government in the place they leave.

It’s really hard to leave Afghanistan- often don’t get permission or passports, or they get so many of the passports but not everyone’s. Neighbouring territories aren’t always that keen on letting them through either - very, very sad, and nothing really addressed by other powers.
Re escaping danger the UNCHR and U.K. caselaw is fairly clear that the refugee can go to any country that signed up. Pushing them back through countries isn’t in the writing or the spirit of these laws, and doesn’t resolve anything, except to make Greece collapse, if that suits folk who can’t abide their own backyard having anything but descendants of some fantasy English only ancestors.
I dream of a global solution where everyone works together to make life better where possible for all humans, and understands refugees are not going away for so many reasons, but the humane answer is not to treat them like an unwanted parcel. I mean I often say this but I know it’s a far fetched idea. Still I’d like to see the tiniest bit of compassion further than just this thread - another wild fantasy of mine lately! - at least as if those banging on would win a civil war but the hatred spewed in some places is so repulsive and concerning 😞

I can’t quite get my head around it but there are still constituency and regional lists so I think there has to be an element of tactics.

Makes complete sense to me.

This is what the Senedd site says

Wales will be divided into 16 areas for the 2026 election, called constituencies.

Each constituency will have six seats in the Senedd, which means six Members will be elected in each area.

Political parties will list up to eight candidates for each constituency. Independent candidates can also stand for election.

You will vote for one party or one independent candidate.

The seats are allocated based on the share of votes each party or independent candidate gets.

For example, if a party wins three seats, the top three people on their list will be elected to those seats.

96 Members of the Senedd will be elected in total.

I agree with you and know what you’re saying.

The only way that post by Starmer is correct is that if in fact you are found not to be entitled to asylum then you are illegal and will be returned.

I hope it’s a clumsy way of saying this rather than calling legitimate asylum seekers - illegal immigrants - which we all know isnt true.

But I’m sure somewhere statistics proved most who risk their life by coming on small boat are genuine. I mean why risk your life otherwise?

@LastTrainsEast Good points, well made.

I am pleased to see that the tide does seem to be turning against Farage if papers like the mirror are carrying stories like the ones above.

There are useful stats here, but there are a lot of people still stuck in the processing queue.

www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/stay-informed/explainers/top-facts-from-the-latest-statistics-on-refugees-and-people-seeking-asylum/

Sadly I don’t think so. He made a post where he said anyone who had tried crossing by boat wouldn’t be eligible for the one in one out exchange. I don’t know what’s the point of Labour on this. Though I except Tories or Reform would be worse. That’s not really enough though, is it?
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DM-bpmivYxH/?igsh=MTM5b2h0cXpjeGt4dw==

Those coming to the UK will have three months' stay to consider regularisation; unaccompanied minors are excluded

Thread explaning the UK-France migration deal
https://bsky.app/profile/stevepeers.bsky.social/post/3lvo7iozut222

Whatever the details, @DuncinToffee , that reel is appalling. It’s pandering to the worst of Reform.

I agree cardi