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Thread 28 Starmer - Weodmonath

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DuncinToffee · 03/08/2025 19:48

The month of Agustus we call the weed month in our language, for these grow most in this month.”

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Piggywaspushed · 05/08/2025 10:29

That's an excellent thread pandora. Thanks.

DuncinToffee · 05/08/2025 10:56

Nige's young apprentice could find himself in contempt of court over rape case comments.

You'd think his party leader could have advised him on this.

Times article on yesterdays speech

https://archive.ph/KhWQR

It felt like a criminal offence just listening to Nigel Finch’s speech

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DuncinToffee · 05/08/2025 11:00

The UK-France returns deal has come into force today.

So much anger about 4% of overall immigration.

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cardibach · 05/08/2025 11:01

This is Starmer’s Instagram story this morning.
I give up. What’s the point in trying to correct misinformation about ‘coming illegally on boats’ if the PM is saying it too?
Also I give up on Labour. Think I’ll join Plaid later and try and help 8mprove things over this side of the border that way (though in fairness Welsh Labour are better on the rhetoric around immigration). Leaves me with a problem for the next Westminster election though. Voting Plaid is almost pointless there as they’ll never have enough seats to have any sway - not even if every Welsh seat returns them.

Thread 28 Starmer - Weodmonath
PandoraSocks · 05/08/2025 11:03

FFS.

I am voting Plaid next year, Cardi. In 2029 I will vote tactically to keep Reform out, if that is looking likely.

Notonthestairs · 05/08/2025 11:03

DuncinToffee · 05/08/2025 10:56

Nige's young apprentice could find himself in contempt of court over rape case comments.

You'd think his party leader could have advised him on this.

Times article on yesterdays speech

https://archive.ph/KhWQR

It felt like a criminal offence just listening to Nigel Finch’s speech

Anderson did something very similar recently.

I believe it’s a concerted effort to be charged and then spin it as the police/CPS coming after them (never mind the original prosecution collapsing and that does to the people involved).

Notonthestairs · 05/08/2025 11:04

But the Tom Peck article is quite amusing.

SerendipityJane · 05/08/2025 11:05

Also I give up on Labour. Think I’ll join Plaid later

I just give up by not voting for a party. You wouldn't catch me joining any.

However my last few votes have been to keep the Tories out. A shit Labour government, whilst sub optimal, is a price worth paying. I can't begin to conceive of the damage a Tory government openly fellating the Trump autocracy would do to my country.

cardibach · 05/08/2025 11:06

PandoraSocks · 05/08/2025 11:03

FFS.

I am voting Plaid next year, Cardi. In 2029 I will vote tactically to keep Reform out, if that is looking likely.

Im in a pretty safe Labour seat Westminster-wise so it probably won’t come to that. I’ll need to look. It’s safe Senedd wise too, historically, but I’m not sure now. I’ve voted Plaid before in Senedd elections, just not in recent years.

Piggywaspushed · 05/08/2025 11:07

cardibach · 05/08/2025 11:01

This is Starmer’s Instagram story this morning.
I give up. What’s the point in trying to correct misinformation about ‘coming illegally on boats’ if the PM is saying it too?
Also I give up on Labour. Think I’ll join Plaid later and try and help 8mprove things over this side of the border that way (though in fairness Welsh Labour are better on the rhetoric around immigration). Leaves me with a problem for the next Westminster election though. Voting Plaid is almost pointless there as they’ll never have enough seats to have any sway - not even if every Welsh seat returns them.

People have mocked Zarah Sultana for leaving but with this rhetoric, many Labour MPs must be feeling very uncomfortable. Angry, even.

DuncinToffee · 05/08/2025 11:07

A shit Labour government, whilst sub optimal, is a price worth paying.

My thoughts exactly

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cardibach · 05/08/2025 11:08

SerendipityJane · 05/08/2025 11:05

Also I give up on Labour. Think I’ll join Plaid later

I just give up by not voting for a party. You wouldn't catch me joining any.

However my last few votes have been to keep the Tories out. A shit Labour government, whilst sub optimal, is a price worth paying. I can't begin to conceive of the damage a Tory government openly fellating the Trump autocracy would do to my country.

That’s my problem really. There isn’t anyone to vote for (Westminster elections) who has a chance of holding any power who even wants to make things better. Ultimately, yes, I’ll vote to keep Tories and Reform out. Sad times.

cardibach · 05/08/2025 11:10

Piggywaspushed · 05/08/2025 11:07

People have mocked Zarah Sultana for leaving but with this rhetoric, many Labour MPs must be feeling very uncomfortable. Angry, even.

Sultana always comes across as a bit condescending I think, despite what she actually wants to say being sensible.
Labour MPs need to use their party influence. The problem is, I suspect, that they fear losing their seats to Reform if this rhetoric isn’t pushed. It’s a mess.

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Piggywaspushed · 05/08/2025 11:18

It is indeed but I think she is the tip of an iceberg. The entirely reasonable and moderate Mohamad Yasin was kicked off a committee where he was doing lots of important work. A lurch to the right is awful for me but DH is more pragmatic and says it's what is needed.

SerendipityJane · 05/08/2025 11:19

cardibach · 05/08/2025 11:10

Sultana always comes across as a bit condescending I think, despite what she actually wants to say being sensible.
Labour MPs need to use their party influence. The problem is, I suspect, that they fear losing their seats to Reform if this rhetoric isn’t pushed. It’s a mess.

The whole illegal immigrant schtick feels so 1970s. I can recall nasty little flyers on lampposts growing up: "Brixton ! Toxteth ! Enoch was right !!!". Given the parsimony of extremism, they weren't well printed and blew off easily.

The whole Brexit and now Reform agenda really is "wasn't 1974 great ?"

Have we had a sweepstakes on when the first Reform rejoiner pops up ?

DuncinToffee · 05/08/2025 11:28

Not reform but Corbyn is talking about rejoining

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cardibach · 05/08/2025 11:30

That’s really interesting - and shows that what is missing (as ever) from discussions around migration on and off MN is nuance.

Notonthestairs · 05/08/2025 11:31

Interesting Duncin.

In each case, Britons tend to choose the economically beneficial trade off. Six in ten opt for getting enough workers in areas with skills shortages over reducing legal migration; 59% likewise prioritised attracting the “best and brightest” to the UK; 52% did so for “improving the UK economy”; and 41% preferred to increase the numbers of people in the UK paying tax (higher than the 30% taking the opposite view that reducing legal migration is the higher priority).”

Made me think of this -

Some anti-immigration activists will admit they prefer the idea of gradual economic decay to solving the population problem through migration, but no government can realistically let standards of living go into permanent decline. Voters may worry about immigration, but that doesn’t mean they won’t blame the government if they can’t pay their bills and there is no one to look after their ageing parents.

Even countries with radical right governments are attempting the same strategy. In Italy, Giorgia Meloni has pushed EU colleagues to go further on reducing irregular migration, while quietly pushing through two increases in the number of visas available for non-EU workers (alongside already high levels of migration from eastern Europe). Closer to home, the new Reform administration in Kent recently wrote to the home secretary complaining that new rules preventing care homes from hiring from abroad would “leave providers on a cliff edge”. In opposition, it is easy to use immigrants as a punching bag but, when governing, the trade-offs become more apparent.”

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/sam-freedman-demonising-migrants-wont-fill-jobs-or-boost-falling-populations

Demonising migrants won’t fill jobs or boost falling popu...

Demonising migrants won’t fill jobs or boost falling popu...

‘Stop the boats’ is a popular refrain but it obscures the real issues rich countries across the world are facing

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/sam-freedman-demonising-migrants-wont-fill-jobs-or-boost-falling-populations

Notonthestairs · 05/08/2025 11:31

Sorry meant to clarify - bottom 2 paras from Freedman’s article.

BIossomtoes · 05/08/2025 11:32

DuncinToffee · 05/08/2025 11:07

A shit Labour government, whilst sub optimal, is a price worth paying.

My thoughts exactly

And mine.

The latest edition of The News Agents is about the shift of the Overton Window to the right, it’s a really interesting half hour listen.

Goldenbear · 05/08/2025 11:41

The thin line between Labour and Reform is going to do more harm than good. I have a late teen and many of his friends are discussing the merits of the Corbyn party, obviously anecdotal and we do live in one of those 'liberal leftie' areas 😆 but after reading a headline in the Torygraph (don't subscribe obvs) about women under 25 turning to Reform (presumably as NF has declared the end of fairness for the sake of protecting the women and girlz..), as much as it may be fiction, it is still out there, these alternatives are definitely going to have an impact on the Labour party if they don't reinstate their political integrity!

Goldenbear · 05/08/2025 12:02

Goldenbear · 05/08/2025 11:41

The thin line between Labour and Reform is going to do more harm than good. I have a late teen and many of his friends are discussing the merits of the Corbyn party, obviously anecdotal and we do live in one of those 'liberal leftie' areas 😆 but after reading a headline in the Torygraph (don't subscribe obvs) about women under 25 turning to Reform (presumably as NF has declared the end of fairness for the sake of protecting the women and girlz..), as much as it may be fiction, it is still out there, these alternatives are definitely going to have an impact on the Labour party if they don't reinstate their political integrity!

Lefty-liberal not, "liberal leftie'" areas, you get the picture, basically, the most hated on MN!

LittleBowSheep · 05/08/2025 12:20

PandoraSocks · 05/08/2025 11:03

FFS.

I am voting Plaid next year, Cardi. In 2029 I will vote tactically to keep Reform out, if that is looking likely.

I've been voting Plaid since 2010. Here in north Wales I think the choice between the parties is much easier.

PickAChew · 05/08/2025 12:34

cardibach · 05/08/2025 11:06

Im in a pretty safe Labour seat Westminster-wise so it probably won’t come to that. I’ll need to look. It’s safe Senedd wise too, historically, but I’m not sure now. I’ve voted Plaid before in Senedd elections, just not in recent years.

I don't think there are any safe seats anymore.

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