Labour isn't working - Thread 5

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. Labour isn't working!

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Oof. Labour's approval rating has fallen to the same level the tories were at just before they lost the election. I'm surprised it isn't even lower tbh.

Me too but give them time

Yes - let’s hope it continues to drop.

Give them credit. They’ve achieved the same feat as the conservatives, in spectacularly speedy fashion!

They’re certainly breaking records!

Yes, I saw that. 13% approval for the government only 15 months after a landslide win is crazy. I wonder how long it will take them to shake off the rest? Christmas, maybe?

I was looking at the gilt yields after you mentioned this morning @TheNuthatch. There's an article here about the dire state, if anyone is interested.

Reeves’s headroom wiped out by surge in borrowing costs

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/ddfe38b6abd6e390

Meanwhile Torsten Bell is carrying on like the tax on farmers will be used to stop shoplifters - I suppose that sounds better than servicing debt that was acquired to 'grow the economy' which was promptly sabotaged by ideology and incompetence.

Yes I've seen the article @ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera and then pro-Labour posters try and make everything is all ok 🙄

I actually don't really want Reeves and Starmer replacing because that then may increase Labour's chances at the next election. Between them they can make losing the next election a certainty

Can you imagine how the farmers feel hearing that?

So like the vat being used for housing bloody idiots
so one thing I took from my meeting with wet wipe MP
there’s a large refurbished unit 48 self contained units in my area it’s been empty since the dole office moved into shiny Cotswold stone offices at great expense maybe 20 years ago. Anyhoo it’s been refurbished by the owners but still empty because …….. they can’t house families in it or homeless as there isn’t the funding the only option is migrants and migrant families who do have the funding 😳😳😳🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Yes, Philp took the opportunity to say how unfair it was on farmers and that they deserve better.

I think they've done this trick before, with the Vat on education revenue that they said would pay for hiring more teachers, then breakfast clubs and then, it was something else, was it training opportunities?

Didn't the ifs tell them off for pretending money raised from one thing would be spent on another particular thing, saying this is very misleading?

Of course 🙄 did he at least have the grace to look ashamed?

Wet Wipe MP

😂😂

There’s a mini series in there somewhere

Thanks @ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera. It's worrying isn't it. Inflation figures due out tomorrow morning also expected to show another rise.

Torsten Bell was awful in his interview on Sky this morning. Arrogant twat. "I'm not an idiot" was his response when questioned about taxes.
He should go back to his think tank if he can't handle the scrutiny.

VAT was originally "fully costed" to pay for:.
Breakfast clubs
New nurseries
Mental health support
Careers advice
SALT
6500 teachers

When 'costing" the policy they failed to take into account: the number who would pre-pay so never pay VAT, exempting state boarding schools, increasing the CEA for military, 5 x the numbers leaving in the first year who are now state funded and over half of the predicted schools closing over 3 years to close in first year.

Then 2 days before the court verdict was announced Starmer said it was now going on housing + defence. Not that he already knew the confidential verdict of course.....

So now tell me which of those manifesto promises have happened .. .....?
They have had to hire "breakfast ambassadors" to force schools to take up the "free" breakfasts because most schools in the pilot dropped out as they couldn't make 60p per child work.

Housing, yes, @Parsley4321! I can't keep up with them anymore.

Jeez, I hadn't realised it was all those @twistyizzy 🤯

What a mess when you lay it out like that. Is anyone actually counting the kids now leaving PS? Am I right in thinking the government were only going to do this for 6 months? I'm assuming there will be another sharp increase in September.

@Parsley4321 I hope you gave your wet wipe both barrels.

Yes 16K left up to end July when Labiur predicted 3K
55 schools now closed in first year when Labour predicted 100 over 3 years

No they refuse to collect/pulbish/review data.

When we get to 50K fewer kids in independent schools then it becomes a net cost to the taxpayer. Sept will be a big one as parents choose not to start Yr 1/7/9.
ISC will do a census so we can compare numbers. Of course Labour will try to gaslight everyone on those figures.

@TheNuthatch I just said good luck with housing migrants and for gods sake get that other left wing apologist to take down the Palestine flag until he gets planning for it. Also please find out why the two primaries were put into lockdown one Friday in July which he knew nothing about and while you’re investigating that please reconsider why halal meat is acceptable to you.
@twistyizzy you've been hit hard by this nonsense I’m sorry for that

Thank you.

ETA @twistyizzy

I've been too busy today to get into the housing proposals threads, but it seems to have gone down like a lead balloon.
If this was a kite flying excercise, it failed.

@twistyizzy no Shame for him. He thinks he’s saving mankind when I said about the Palestinian flag he asked my views I said Oct 7th shdnt be forgotten we had a demo on Saturday he played a whistle I’m not joking

🤯

The IFS did say that - that’s what has been really cynical and manipulative - pretending they had to raise taxes on this particular group or that particular group salami style to pay for this particular policy or that particular policy…

There’s an interesting angle on Gaza that will play out domestically.

Labour’s terrified of losing seats in heavily Muslim areas which have many voters for whom Israel/Gaza is the ‘big thing’. There were several safe Labour seats lost at the last GE because of the issue, including Jonathan Ashworth’s: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9e9ydj215yo.amp

A few other big Labour names just squeaked home. Eg Streeting’s majority is now 528.

And many Labour backbenchers are anti-Israel anyway (IMO quite a few are just straightforward horrible antisemites.) So Starmer has to make the right noises about Israel. (In fairness to him I don’t think his heart’s really in it, but, as ever, Mr Feeble is being pushed around.)

But Corbyn’s outfit will attract the most vocal anti-Israel voices. Which puts Labour even deeper in trouble on the issue, at the ballot box. There’ll be a well-publicised gathering point for anti-Israel voters that isn’t Labour.

Starmer will be praying that Gaza isn’t in the headlines in four years.