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Labour isn't working - Thread 5

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TheNuthatch · 29/07/2025 14:33

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. Labour isn't working!

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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TheNuthatch · 15/08/2025 21:38

ThatbloodyRoblox · 15/08/2025 21:27

The charge against Lucy Connolly was more similar to that of Mark Heath than Ricky Jones. She pleaded guilty, he ( Mark Heath) didnt. He was cleared by jury. Was that two tier? I never heard any complaints at the time.

As I'm sure you're aware from the pps, most posters on this thread don't agree with your take.

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strawberrybubblegum · 16/08/2025 07:24

ThatbloodyRoblox · 15/08/2025 21:27

The charge against Lucy Connolly was more similar to that of Mark Heath than Ricky Jones. She pleaded guilty, he ( Mark Heath) didnt. He was cleared by jury. Was that two tier? I never heard any complaints at the time.

You're right - Lucy's case is more like Mark Heath's in that their political opinions aligned, and both made unpleasant comments which clearly aren't incitement. We could indeed also hold Mark Heath up as also having been on the wrong side of 2-tier justice, but since he was cleared and eventually allowed to walk free (after a pretty unpleasant ordeal), the trial at least worked as it should, even though he should never have been arrested or imprisoned. And the harm to his life was already done. But Lucy Connolly is in prison for 3 years. She's still there now - denied appeal.

MarkHeath made online comments which were unpleasant but not incitement - about the Southport murders being "a tipping point" and that "Lefties" who stopped Rwandda had "blood in their hands". . He was detained without bail after he declined to represent himself, and was found not guilty. Because his tweets were not inciting violence, and he should never have been arrested.

Lucy Connolly made online comments which were unpleasant but not in my opinion incitement because they just express that she doesn't care, not instructing people to do it "Set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care." She was detained without bail for 3 months until she eventually pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 3 years in prison. She has been denied appeal by a judge.

Ricky Jones stood up in front of a crowd and said 'We need to cut all their throats and get rid of them all.' whilst making a throat slitting motion. He was bailed, not detained. He was cleared.

It's utterly wrong. The UK is 2-tier now, and it's not OK.

ThatbloodyRoblox · 16/08/2025 12:37

The difference is one pleaded guilty and one didn’t. The jury therefore get to decide the outcome after listening to the case. … Has it has always been… not liking the verdict ( in RJ) case and sentence (LC case) doesn’t make that any different.
you also forgot to mention Mark Heath recirculated wrong and potentially dangerous information about the bane and status of the Southport murderer.

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ThatbloodyRoblox · 16/08/2025 12:57

TheNuthatch · 15/08/2025 21:38

As I'm sure you're aware from the pps, most posters on this thread don't agree with your take.

I see that many here don’t agree.However, there are some (non Labour voters) and ex Tory MPs that do agree. Rees- Mog has spoken out and said this isn’t “two tier” and Dominic Grieve has said that the comments from the shadow Home Secretary are that of a rabble rouser and the decision has nothing to do with the Labour Government.
Make of that what you will.

EasternStandard · 16/08/2025 13:05

It won’t help Labour. Earlier polling showed they were weak on the economy, immigration and justice.

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/08/2025 13:07

Good morning all

Find Out Now
Reform 31 (-1)
Labour 19 (-1)
Conservatives (+3)
LibDem 12 (nc)
Greens 10 (+1)

Or, is it actually afternoon and I've lounged the morning away 😁

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/08/2025 13:15

EasternStandard · 16/08/2025 13:05

It won’t help Labour. Earlier polling showed they were weak on the economy, immigration and justice.

No surprises there.

EasternStandard · 16/08/2025 13:21

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/08/2025 13:07

Good morning all

Find Out Now
Reform 31 (-1)
Labour 19 (-1)
Conservatives (+3)
LibDem 12 (nc)
Greens 10 (+1)

Or, is it actually afternoon and I've lounged the morning away 😁

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Ooh interesting. What number is Cons on in this list

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/08/2025 13:21

Sorry, 19 - level pegging with Labour.

TheNuthatch · 16/08/2025 13:23

@EasternStandard 19, It's on the graph I posted yesterday.

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TheNuthatch · 16/08/2025 13:24

@ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera sorry, x post :-)

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EasternStandard · 16/08/2025 13:29

Thanks : )

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/08/2025 13:31

Don't worry, I've reposted a poll you've already posted yesterday, missed key numbers and got the time wrong. I think I've hit peak brain fog. Off for a coffee!

EasternStandard · 16/08/2025 13:33

Level with Cons is interesting for the posters who go on about how badly Cons are doing but not Labour.

TheNuthatch · 16/08/2025 13:34

ThatbloodyRoblox · 16/08/2025 12:57

I see that many here don’t agree.However, there are some (non Labour voters) and ex Tory MPs that do agree. Rees- Mog has spoken out and said this isn’t “two tier” and Dominic Grieve has said that the comments from the shadow Home Secretary are that of a rabble rouser and the decision has nothing to do with the Labour Government.
Make of that what you will.

I couldn't care less what JRM or DG say I'm afraid. I do think it's two tier. No tweet from a tory has-been is going to change that. If you and others want to defend Jones, thats your perogative.
I also think Starmer's language around the riots had an impact on the justice received by people like Lucy Connoly. There are at least two threads on this subject if you wish to argue your points further.

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TheNuthatch · 16/08/2025 13:36

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/08/2025 13:31

Don't worry, I've reposted a poll you've already posted yesterday, missed key numbers and got the time wrong. I think I've hit peak brain fog. Off for a coffee!

😂 😂

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TheNuthatch · 16/08/2025 13:49

I haven't even looked at any media today. I saw a brief clip of Putin being greeted on American soil by a red carpet and a smiling Trump. I felt a bit sick 🤢. Depressing.

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EasternStandard · 16/08/2025 13:51

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EasternStandard · 16/08/2025 13:51

I haven’t followed much either, it seems a whole order of journalists decamped to that meeting and not much was said on anything

TheNuthatch · 16/08/2025 13:55

Sergei Lavrov arrived wearing a USSR sweater. I think that says it all really.

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ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/08/2025 13:57

TheNuthatch · 16/08/2025 13:55

Sergei Lavrov arrived wearing a USSR sweater. I think that says it all really.

Lavrov is like a pantomime villain. He doesn't even try and tone it down.

TheNuthatch · 16/08/2025 14:01

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/08/2025 13:57

Lavrov is like a pantomime villain. He doesn't even try and tone it down.

He is you're right. That's a good description. I loathe him, but kind of admire his balls and evilness at the same time 😂

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TheNuthatch · 16/08/2025 14:20

I'm pleased to see an improvement in the polls for the cons. They have felt like the only grown ups recently.
Perhaps we'll see them push Labour into third and take second place after the Ricky Jones debacle.

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ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 16/08/2025 14:25

The Conservatives might only have to wait for Corbyn-Sultana to pull the rug from under Labour and poll second.

ThatbloodyRoblox · 16/08/2025 15:00

TheNuthatch · 16/08/2025 13:34

I couldn't care less what JRM or DG say I'm afraid. I do think it's two tier. No tweet from a tory has-been is going to change that. If you and others want to defend Jones, thats your perogative.
I also think Starmer's language around the riots had an impact on the justice received by people like Lucy Connoly. There are at least two threads on this subject if you wish to argue your points further.

I am in no way defending Jones. I am just explaining that the two cases aren’t really comparable. One was a guilty plea and sentenced per guidelines. One was a not guilty plea and went to trial and it was a jury who decided the outcome.

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