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Labour isn't working - Thread 5

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TheNuthatch · 29/07/2025 14:33

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. Labour isn't working!

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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EasternStandard · 13/08/2025 10:43

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 13/08/2025 09:45

When Labour got in I was sure they’d get two terms and possibly a third. I’m much more doubtful about that now.

The Tories best bet is to tread water and let Labour fuck up and hope that Reform eats itself - which isn’t unlikely given the history of splinter parties on the right.

Reform is really a one-issue party, or one-and-a-half if you include the vapour trail of Brexit. What they’ve said about the economy and the other big stuff isn’t remotely convincing. They don’t want to do anything meaningful about welfare, for example, because their main target regions have large numbers dependent on state support.

When ambitious, fractious politicians gather, there has to be a broad philosophy to hold them together, at least for the most part, and “the others are rubbish” isn’t a philosophy. I suspect that many Tories who defect find out that they’ve joined a protest group that can’t agree on anything beyond small boat immigration.

My present best guess at the next government is a Tory-Reform coalition. Although that might be perilous for both of them.

They could have if they didn’t go for such poor policies. NI, VAT, scrapping a deterrent. Two of those will defeat them.

Arrearing50 · 13/08/2025 10:58

Yes I’m sure they’ll continue looking for taxes they think hit groups that don’t vote for them, so they can stick to the letter if not the spirit of their manifesto commitment…which is bad as we know far more about income tax than all of these other tweaks they’re considering.

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Absentmindedsmile · 13/08/2025 13:46

Just seen this in FWR - excellent news

www.thetimes.com/article/9e05be8a-e832-4590-afb5-67dfed35be13?shareToken=c21a98c1fa717541689033a063ad3f12

Labour isn't working - Thread 5
twistyizzy · 13/08/2025 13:49

Absentmindedsmile · 13/08/2025 13:46

Ah great news 👏 she's come under so much vile hate on X for sticking up for single sex spaces, women's rights etc. Greatly deserved

caringcarer · 13/08/2025 14:00

Yesterday I read in newspaper Chagos deal will cost 10 times what Labour said it would cost. 50,000 new immigrants illegally arrived in boats since 2 Tier Keir in charge.

EasternStandard · 13/08/2025 14:18

Waiting while dd browses for some stuff and the paper headlines are all bad for Labour. Even the Guardian and the FT

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 13/08/2025 14:26

The front page of the Independent was brutal today.

Labour isn't working - Thread 5
twistyizzy · 13/08/2025 14:27

EasternStandard · 13/08/2025 14:18

Waiting while dd browses for some stuff and the paper headlines are all bad for Labour. Even the Guardian and the FT

How could they report anything other? It's an omni shambles

Absentmindedsmile · 13/08/2025 14:28

Starmer will resign at some point soonish, he’s too weak and lily livered to carry on for long. . But who’d replace him??

twistyizzy · 13/08/2025 14:29

Absentmindedsmile · 13/08/2025 14:28

Starmer will resign at some point soonish, he’s too weak and lily livered to carry on for long. . But who’d replace him??

I have no faith he will. If he was a Tory PM they would have ousted him by now but this lot are sadly Teflon. They can't admit to themselves what a fuck up they are making therefore why would they need to resign?

EasternStandard · 13/08/2025 14:31

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 13/08/2025 14:26

The front page of the Independent was brutal today.

Oof they’re usually a more forgiving paper

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 13/08/2025 14:37

I find it delicious that obvious Labour gimmicks and slogans are coming apart at the seams. “Smash the gangs” was always going to be an albatross around Labour’s neck because it’s self-evidently stupid and impossible. Labour was promising to do what the law enforcement agencies of an entire continent haven’t been able to do.

That said, nobody can stop asylum seekers from coming. Reform can’t stop it any more than the Tories and Labour could.

The only even partly effective measure would be Rwanda-style off shore processing. You’d be better off putting the Tories back in for that.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 13/08/2025 14:42

twistyizzy · 13/08/2025 14:29

I have no faith he will. If he was a Tory PM they would have ousted him by now but this lot are sadly Teflon. They can't admit to themselves what a fuck up they are making therefore why would they need to resign?

I can see a quite probable scenario in which the markets turn on this government and it has to take drastic cost-cutting measures, which the bulk of the Labour Party will rebel against.

Following which, nice Sir Keir makes the lonely walk up Downing Street - with his wife and children, including the one who did his revision in Lord Ali’s Covent Garden penthouse.

twistyizzy · 13/08/2025 14:43

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 13/08/2025 14:42

I can see a quite probable scenario in which the markets turn on this government and it has to take drastic cost-cutting measures, which the bulk of the Labour Party will rebel against.

Following which, nice Sir Keir makes the lonely walk up Downing Street - with his wife and children, including the one who did his revision in Lord Ali’s Covent Garden penthouse.

It can't come soon enough for me!

Julen7 · 13/08/2025 14:46

twistyizzy · 13/08/2025 14:43

It can't come soon enough for me!

Bring it on.

twistyizzy · 13/08/2025 14:47

Julen7 · 13/08/2025 14:46

Bring it on.

Then Streeting and Ang will battle it out and continue to split the party.

Absentmindedsmile · 13/08/2025 14:51

twistyizzy · 13/08/2025 14:47

Then Streeting and Ang will battle it out and continue to split the party.

Streeting is electable. For that reason most of the Labour luvvies hate him. Same with Burnham.

twistyizzy · 13/08/2025 14:52

What happened to the Spring re-shiffle? Was it just mooted as an attempt to get MPs to fall into line?

TheNuthatch · 13/08/2025 14:57

Absentmindedsmile · 13/08/2025 13:16

A potential positive. Although the geographical areas they’ve selected seem questionable to me. I wonder what random rationale / brown envelopes enabled the list of 10. No mention I can find.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/technical-colleges-list-uk-construction-workers-b2806625.html

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We've been laughing about this at work today. Fantastic....if you live near one.

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EasternStandard · 13/08/2025 14:58

twistyizzy · 13/08/2025 14:52

What happened to the Spring re-shiffle? Was it just mooted as an attempt to get MPs to fall into line?

Was that just before the ‘summer reset’?

Going well then

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 13/08/2025 15:07

EasternStandard · 13/08/2025 14:58

Was that just before the ‘summer reset’?

Going well then

Not forgetting the relaunch in December.

Do you think they attempt a glow up with each season?

EasternStandard · 13/08/2025 15:33

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 13/08/2025 15:07

Not forgetting the relaunch in December.

Do you think they attempt a glow up with each season?

Haha yes. But that’s going to be hard with the next budget.

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 13/08/2025 15:34

The Autumn of Hard Choices. Doesn't have the same ring, does it?

EasternStandard · 13/08/2025 15:38

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 13/08/2025 15:34

The Autumn of Hard Choices. Doesn't have the same ring, does it?

Haha

Brace, brace

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