Ozzy Osbourne - we shouldn't speak ill of the dead but has his domestic abuse and serial infidelity been glossed over in all the eulogies?

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Maybe because he was a rocker firm the 70s but it seems Ozzy's real character flaws have been warped into a 'charismatic hell raiser ' image to be admired.

In reality should we also be critical about his actions and views?

@Goldenbear or killing pets?

Yep, I’m finding the public mourning for him a bit grim really. He wasn’t a model citizen, and did some horrible stuff, but all of it seems to have been overwritten by the ‘funny wobbly old man’ on the reality show.

yuck

No I don’t believe in forgiveness for vile animal cruelty and domestic abuse, how many more times do I have to say that!

No interest whatsoever in his music, because his vile behaviour overrides that.

Yes, absolutely, the poor pets.

The reality show was really depressing if you are referencing the one in the 00s, I always associate it with not going out to socialise and having nothing else to watch.

Well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree over our view of the ability of people to change for the better and the benefits of forgiveness within society for those who change. There’s not a lot left to be said. We both have very different views.

And here we are, a late joiner with the ad hominem attacks. I’m bored with people like you now see ya love

Late joiner? Late to what exactly?

And I’m not attacking you, I’m attacking your strangely empassioned arguments and passive aggressive insults 🙄

If you are so bored why are you posting sooooo many times?

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣, pissing myself, you are such a howl.

Everyone is a package though right? Some people will see more good than bad in him, others will see more bad than good.

He did a lot of good things. He did a lot of bad things.

It's not a black and white situation. Very few people are totally good or totally bad. Absolutely within anyone's rights to stand up and say no I don't agree with this portrayal, whichever that is.

ive been reading about him today, on the back of this thread, and have decided he was a massive twat

Who knows what goes on behind closed doors. It is not for me to judge. Sharon Osborne made her choice- she could have walked but instead she stayed with him for 40 years. he stayed with her when she had colon cancer.

@lemonraspberry and what about the pets who didn’t have any say in what happened to them? You don’t judge that? God hope you don’t have any animals if you don’t judge that

Yes, because if that happened, they'd have definitely left it in the edit wouldn't they? 🙄

Are we saying to young boys and girls here is a role model? We bean Ozzy's image onto city centre buildings and avoid the full picture of the man?

It seems like we have a view of 'well whatever happens behind closed doors is I'm or 'well done marriages are a bit tempestuous' or 'it's rock and roll man'. All are simply excused and I think this is an opportunity to make it clear you can't white wash history so easily or without consequence. I am glad the press have picked up on this in some quarters because by burying it means any obituary is a partial lie.

domestic abuse is incredibly common yet there seems to be a bit of an attitude that as Sharon was a feisty hard worldly woman it's all ok. Is it?

My FB is full of him at the moment. I couldn’t name one of his songs and never watched the Osbornes show. I have however watched some of the reels that have appeared on my FB since his death.
All I will say is that as far as I can see, anyway, Sharon had the patience of a bloody saint. And as usual, the bar for men is set so much lower.

How do you judge him for his more recent involvement with animal rights whe. He wasn’t on a psychotic state due to drug addiction? How do you judge his involvement in anti fur campaigns, advocacy against the declawing of cats and decrying of trophy hunters.? You don’t seem to be talking about those things

@MyHeartyCoralSnail because that doesn’t make up for killing his pets

She's no saint

Seriously - if Peta can get over that and see the bigger picture so can I
https://www.peta.org/news/rest-in-peace-ozzy-osbourne/

Pets are abused in plain sight everyday by everyday pet owners

PETA are just chasing the ££. They’d “get over” anything. I can’t see how shooting pets with a shotgun and biting the heads off animals is anything that anyone can “get over”. It’s not like he just forgot to feed his dog a couple of times.

What are you talking about g about?😳

@lemonraspberry so if someone shot all your pets but then said you shouldn’t declaw cats you would think they were a wonderful person

Most pet owners don’t go round shooting all their pets for fun

I’m not a fan of either of them, but losing a spouse is just awful, so I wish her well.