Murder 24/7

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I watched this last night on iPlayer, anyone else seen it? They showed the police investigation of a murder of a DPD driver.

I just need to discuss it with someone as I found it shocking! Everything from the location, the volume of injuries/people involved, how the victim was tracked. They described the victim as being decapitated, just the fact that level of violence happened in the middle of Shropshire is mind blowing. I just can’t imagine how harrowing the must have been for the victim, the witnesses, the family. Even for the officers and the jury involved. The defendants lied and lied throughout.

The Daily Mail seems to have more information on why Aurman the DPD driver was murdered but it's behind a paywall (I can't seem to click 'show reader' anymore?). Has anyone been able to read it?

@fruitandvegoverload yes! I read that yesterday. Just search “remove paywall” online. Some websites can fetch archives of the full content.

From my (fading) memory, the article was still ambiguous and it wasn’t great journalism. It regurgitates the documentary such as the police’s theory that a Punjabi gang targeted him after that DPD beanie footage of the Kabaddi match. It did not confirm that it was him in the DPD beanie video however.

They sprinkled in some tidbits of new information from a “gang source”, which is unverified so take it with a pinch of salt. I remember it said something about a mob boss slapped Aurman, then there was tension between his entire gang and Aurman. They mentioned social media goading but no mention of what crimes Aurman committed beyond that ie what his level of involvement in gangs was. A bit fluffy overall.

They definitely use extra cameras. I imagine they have a full production team/film crew.

Consent is a good question. I see the police occasionally blurred out faces of the public, but all of the offenders were shown. I can’t imagine the offenders would give consent to be on the documentary. I guess legally they don’t need to consent? Not sure.

The offenders in that situation (being met with a film crew in addition to the usual police response) must shit themselves even more. There were times when they were looking directly at the cameras so they must have noticed.

@WinWhenTheyreSinging agree with your comments.

The pub investigation was interesting in a subtle manner.

I think it’s a nuanced area of law where although the punch was not intended to cause death - it did, so the sentence needs to be a deterrent to random erratic violence.

Been watching Series one which is in Essex. Equally good. The last case though was awful. I personally was very pleased with the jury's decision.

The first case was very interesting. Outcome of sentences not a surprise.

For those asking how these programmes are made, there was a detective and tv person talking about how these programmes are made on BBC breakfast this morning. From '24 hours in police custody'. I wasn't paying sttention so can't give any info but will be on iplayer. 9am ish.

I watched all of the latest series yesterday.

I found Aurman Singh's case the most interesting, as in how the police wirked piecing things together, and solving the case. The terror in his body language when he glances in the van's wing mirror and then tries to clamber over to the driver side to escape. The Mercedes four were obviously brighter than the Audi four, as they all escaped initially and two are still at large in India. I wonder if it was Aurman in Derby the day before. If the murderers knew him, or other people there knew him, they'd be more successful than the police at identifying him, perhaps.

The Ivan Potter case was a damning indictment of Adult Social Care. In their statement they seemed to equate what Ivan had gone through with what their staff had experienced! Poor poor man. And he only got help with his son in the end when he tried to kill himself and Gavin. Appalling.

The pub punch one seemed to be an event where something got blown up out of all proportion. He seemed genuinely sorry about it, and took his sentence with equanimity.

What a nasty thug the last one was. I was amazed at how the forensic team could extract what was being said underneath the screaming. Poor children, at least their mum didn't die, and they can rebuild their lives somewhat, even if Grandma has gone.

I think the programme makers must film more cases, or start to film them, and some peter out, so they stop. Others can make a good 2.5 hours of tv, like the Aurman Singh case.

I'm also interested in how the get permission to film the suspects.

@Serpentstooth thanks, sounds interesting.

@JustASmallBear agree completely.

Aurman was at the Kabaddi match the day before - the DPD colleague that he was driving with, gave evidence at the 1st trial confirming that they went to that Derby event together. It’s in a link I shared earlier. But that alone doesn’t prove it was Aurman slicing someone whilst wearing a DPD hat, given that other DPD staff were in attendance.

I think the fact the police haven’t confirmed Aurman committed that crime, makes me think it wasn’t him. They have no reason not to explore/document that. In the 1st murder trial, they actively said they don’t need to prove a motive, so this was not discussed in court either.

If we take the Daily Mail article as fact, the head of a gang had it out for Aurman so he could have been a target regardless? Maybe Aurman knows the people involved even if it wasn’t him. It was definitely a revenge kill either way.

I tried accessing that Heil article but even with the paywall blocker it only shows 1 paragraph

This was a report on the Kabaddi match. The fight seemed to have been pre planned

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/derby-news/derby-man-acted-like-kind-9692682?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

I have worked on similar crime docs both for BBC & C4 - generally if suspects are found guilty then you can feature them baaed on the argument of it being in the public interest.

So oftentimes production teams are waiting with baited breath for the verdict. If suspects are found not guilty they would usually be anonymised.

I've caught up with this series over the past couple of days. Some truly horrific cases. You wonder with the stabbings just how many times that Wendy had gone round to save her daughter from Damian.

And the Ivan Potter case was horrific, I feel for the man that he had to spend 6 months on remand.

Here’s an archive link to the Mail article. Still quite confusing, though.

The Damian thing made me really cross on exactly that basis. I do get that it's not that easy when you're 'in it', I suppose, but it's so outside my own experience that I can't fathom how she continued in a relationship that was obviously putting everyone in danger and how guilty she must feel when I'm sure they've all told her she should leave him a thousand times. Boiling frog, I know.

@WinWhenTheyreSinging in the programme she states that when she stepped foot outside the kitchen door she was dragged back in by him. When a woman wants to leave a violent and coercively abusive man, it's when it's the most dangerous.

The people who are the victims are never the perpetrators.

Damian almost seemed gleeful when he found out Wendy was dead.

It’s the ultimate control over someone isn’t it, killing their mum in front of them. He’s probably thrilled with himself for inflicting that lifelong trauma on Stacey.

I don’t think it’s necessarily easy to leave relationships like this because this man was of that mindset “if I can’t have you, no one can” and he wouldn’t have let her leave. They were still connected via the children too. So she never would have been completely free from him.

I thought it was confusing too. I’m not sure why people would pay to access DM lol

Thanks for sharing this. Really insightful. I had a feeling offenders didn’t have much choice if guilty!

Would you say the film crew are quite visible, like would members of the public immediately notice a documentary is being filmed? Or is it a low key set up?

Yes they'll be visible, but low key - usually it will be a small team - possibly even just one or two people with a handheld camera for arrests/ property raids etc.

Having watched this ep (Murder on the Close) it would seem the film crew started filming the suspect in detention - footage prior to this seems to have been CCTV (ring doorbell) and body cam material - but I might be mis remembering! I imagine that this would be the case for most of the stories featured

This doesn't pan out how you expect. I have only seen the start of it from the end of an episode and agree it looks harrowing but having now googled it's a very sad case. Just read the judge sentencing document. Will watch the programme tomorrow.

How do the all have the same surname?

It's already been discussed in the thread.