Murder 24/7

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I watched this last night on iPlayer, anyone else seen it? They showed the police investigation of a murder of a DPD driver.

I just need to discuss it with someone as I found it shocking! Everything from the location, the volume of injuries/people involved, how the victim was tracked. They described the victim as being decapitated, just the fact that level of violence happened in the middle of Shropshire is mind blowing. I just can’t imagine how harrowing the must have been for the victim, the witnesses, the family. Even for the officers and the jury involved. The defendants lied and lied throughout.

@FishPie2 in the documentary at some point they use the word decapitated. I was merely mirroring the language used. Plus the word was also used in the press.

@FishPie2 I’m not sure why you quoted me, I never said anything about decapitation.

Just caught up with all of this. The statement made at the end by DPD driver’s family that not just their lives ruined but 5 other families. The youth. All wasted. And couldn’t believe the guy who had a gun tattooed on his neck. Seriously. What a brutal horrible crime.

i Couldn’t quite believe that they kept on showing the footage of the victim in the DPD van - before it cut out. His panic.

As for Ivan. Incredibly sad.

Why were all of the DPD convicted called Singh? Were they related or was it a coincidence? I don’t think this was mentioned in the doc

Singh is a Sikh title but also a surname. Wouldn't necessarily be related

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singh

I think that was his co-driver in the passenger seat, not the actual victim.

I thought it was the victim in the passenger seat? Confused now!

I didn't understand that either, who was it in the CCTV of the van, did I miss a clear explanation of how many were in the van and if there was a second man what happened to him

I don't think he can have been decapitated as that would have been obvious and wasn't the impression given by the people who were first on the scene

Was they all brothers? Family? As they all had the same last name even the victim how was this never mentioned

No I don’t think any of them are related. It’s just what a PP linked, where Sikhs use the given name singh

It was the victim in the van - I think his colleague was delivering a package

I didn’t hear then say they were illegal immigrants???

The DPD van was being manned by 2 DPD staff members that were delivering parcels together.

The victim’s colleague is actually shown in the first episode. He was speaking to the police and asking to see Aurman. It’s like 4 minutes into the first episode. He’s holding a DPD vest. He wasn’t involved in the crime.

If the CCTV you are referencing is the Ring doorbell footage, it shows both DPD staff members. Again it’s around the same timestamp in the first episode. The aforementioned driver is at the address delivering a parcel to that house. He is shown in the foreground. In the background, the victim Aurman is seen in the passenger seat of the DPD van which has the driver’s door open.

Also later on, they show CCTV from the DPD depot and both drivers are loading the van with parcels.

All Sikhs don’t use the name Singh.

Singh is a ‘common’ name in India, like Smith in England. But I think it’s odd that all the perpetrators had the same surname.

Ah apologies. I was confused and thought it was the co driver in the passenger seat. Just rewatched and I can see now the victim in the passenger seat - yes his panic as he tried to get into the driver’s seat.

So shocking. What a waste of life (and lives). Also, irrelevant but who has the utter gall to do something like this in broad daylight in a busy residential area with Ring doorbells?

I can’t work out if they were brazen, thick or just didn’t give a fuck.

It’s reported in the press: https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/local-hubs/black-country/2024/04/13/black-country-dpd-killers-were-in-uk-illegally/

DCI Mark Bellamy who led the investigation into the murder of Mr Singh, said the four men were “illegal immigrants” who had outstayed their visas.

Stafford Crown Court heard during the six-week trial that the four Black Country men had all arrived in the UK in 2020 on student visas.

All four had dropped out of their student courses shortly after arrival to the UK and had been working and living in Black Country unlawfully.

I never said all Sikhs did.

Singh is not like “Smith” to my understanding. The men can choose adopt the name “Singh” whilst the women can choose “Kaur”. It’s just as a tradition/moniker of their culture. They can use it as a surname or a middle name - they might have a family surname in addition.

Some people actually adopt the name Singh/Kaur to hide their family status. India has a deeply engrained caste system which is like social class in the UK. I guess the equivalent would be changing your surname with a deed poll in England.

A PP added a link with a full explanation.

If you're a Sikh male you have the surname Singh. It's to show all are equal to God.

Ok, thanks, understood

Strange that all four had decided to drop their studies
shortly after arriving in the UK…

@TeenagersAngst yes I agree. I wonder if they knew each other beforehand? It seems like they never intended to study, just used that as a ruse to get in.

I think it's happening way more than we know. There are clearly no checks in place, say 6 months down the line, to ensure they are still studying - or responsibility put on their education provider to alert the Home Office that they are no longer studying and therefore invalidating their visa.

@TeenagersAngst to be honest having worked in public sector, that doesn’t surprise me.

What does surprise me is such a massive group of them ended up in that gang lifestyle as newcomers to the country. At what point did they get those dodgy tattoos? Have they committed previous offences? Seems unusual to go from zero to using an axe to kill someone.

I would imagine they were 'wrong-uns' in their own country and decided to come to UK to work in the black economy and probably had fairly insubstantial checks done to obtain their visas.

Episode 4 Murder on The Close is a DV case. The fat fuck is currently in custody as we join

Urgh. Crocodile tears. Those poor kids.