Sick of being nice to not be considered a bigot.

[Chichianti]

I used to consider myself left wing. I don’t even know what what means anymore. I don’t want any good human beings to suffer or live unassisted lives in poverty.

However I’ve hit my 40s and now want all rapists and murdered - especially of women - to be absolutely yeeted from this country and the earth. I don’t care how. Death penalty, deportation, life imprisonment.
im just beyond sick of men that rape and murder women. Kill them, deport them, put them away for the rest of their lives. I don’t give a fuck about their wellbeing or their skin colour. White men or black
men. Any man who rapes or murders women.

Throw them into the sea to drown. I don’t care if its
inhumane. Just rid the earth of men who rape
and murder.

Kill all rapists and child murderers. Fuck their human rights.

I’d vote for you.

Thanks. I’m prepared to be called a facist.

Ive just read Louise Casey’s report and it’s absolutely disgusting. I’ve had 3 glasses of wine and I don’t think I’ve ever been so disgusted and furious in my life.

Ive worked since I was 15. Always voted Lib Dem or labour. I do our community food bank and litter picks. My husband volunteers at a food bank and CAB assistance. We try to be good people. What the fuck is the point in any of this if our government are so willing to destroy this country.

Those poor girls. What the fuck is this country. Raped children being called sluts and bigots.

I can see why you think that-although I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty. But why do you think you’d be called a bigot?

I don’t agree with you, but likewise I wouldn’t consider you a bigot or not a nice person if you were to openly say these opinions to me.
One of the reasons I don’t agree is the same reason why I wouldn’t think you were in any way a bad person for thinking like this, and that is things are rarely black or white.

Is it not because asylum seekers / foreign nationals commit / are convicted of a disproportionate amount of sexual offences.

It’s almost like men who are raised in cultures where women ( or just some women ) aren’t valued or respected come over here and behave shittily to women.

There's a cognitive dissonance about believing the best way of showing you don't believe anyone has the right to kill, and to prove that, you are going to kill them.

Sorry, but the logic escapes me.

There is a widespread myth that to be a good person you have to be left-wing. Some of the vilest human beings I have ever met have been left-wing or ‘liberal’. In fact, the left is a magnet for bitter, destructive, hate-filled individuals. I know because I used to be one. Frankie Boyle is a good example of what I mean. But because such people direct their hate towards middle-class Daily Mail readers and ‘nimbys’, somehow it’s OK. In my experience, the nicest people tend to be vaguely centrist, maybe mildly conservative, but broad-minded and humane. Looking back, I see myself as the brainwashed member of a cult. I now regard myself as a sceptical conservative. So much of what left-wing people believe sounds great in a sixth form common room, but causes chaos and misery when applied to the real world.

I think for a lot of supporters of the death penalty, it’s wrong to kill or behave abhorrently towards others (such as in the case of rapists, paedophiles and the like).

However, after someone commits a crime like the ones I mention, I think a lot of people no longer class them as worthy of being called human. They’ve proven themselves to be dangerous scum, so they’re seen way below any average person, whom it would be wrong to harm. Killing them off also helps ensure nobody ever suffers at their hands again, which is maybe deemed a bonus.

I am against the death penalty, but I think UK has far too short sentences. In some cases, the amount of time spent in jail is laughable. I think sentences and the actual time served should be roughly doubled.
For recurrent or those abusing children, then add more years on top of it. I have no qualms with lifelong sentences. And jail does not need to be a "five star hotel". I would make them work, for starters.

I do likr centre people. You can lean more or less towards one side, but nothing better than a balanced view.

I don’t think that’s true. I thought sexual offending by ethnicity tracked pretty closely with the population.

I consider myself a decent, law-abiding person, and I am opposed to the death penalty in theory because intellectually I think we are above that as a species, but I also have almost zero empathy and so I do agree with you on a base level; some offences I think are beyond rehabilitation. A big pit would work maybe. I’d dig a big hole and throw those people in it. Or a space laser, but that’s how I’d deal with slow drivers primarily.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_conviction_of_Andrew_Malkinson
Just think of this man before you start calling for the death penalty.

As someone who works in the CJS I can assure you that is not the case. White males are convicted of a disproportionate amount of sexual offences in the UK.

The problem with this is that these people ARE still human, and we don’t have the right to kill them on the grounds of it being for the greater good. It just doesn’t work that way.

Yep, they do maintain their human rights regardless of what they’ve done to someone else’s.

None of us can ever have our human rights taken away, but obviously they can be restricted such as when someone’s sent to prison.

I suppose whether or not they should maintain human rights is a different debate altogether.

I would never support the removal of human rights whatever the situation. It’s a one way, very slippery slope.

There have been far too many miscarriages of justice and wrongful conviction to ever have the death penalty restored. Timothy Evans was hanged in the fifties for the crimes of the murderer Christie. A gross miscarriage of justice.

I might start a thread on it later, if I have time. Would definitely generate some polarised views, that’s for sure.

@NC28 are you suggesting we also look at the character of the person they killed? Surely not. But if someone kills a rapist or peadophile, I think that's wrong. I think it's wrong because the killer is not judge And jury. And who makes the decision that a life shouldn't be lived? The killer or the state? Either ends a life.

To me, the fact the killing is wrong is clear. If it's wrong for me to kill someone because I think they are a bad person, then it's wrong for the state to do it in my name.

By all means lock someone up who is a danger to the rest of us. But kill them? Not in my name.

I don’t agree about murdering them, that’s way too easy. They need to be tortured slowly, painfully, everyday for the rest of the lives.

This. All of this. Great post.

No, no. Wasn’t suggesting checking the character of the initial victim. Although maybe some would also argue that if Gangster A murders Gangster B, it’s somehow not as terrible than if Gangster A picked a random person on the street to shoot.

I suppose people very often have very strong opinions on both sides of the DP debate and it always evokes a huge response on MN if someone asks the question. We’ll never see it in this country though, that’s for sure.

I agree with you OP get rid of the lot of them save the tax payer a fortune

Brilliant post 👏 👏

So what kind of death penalty do you want? Hanging, electric chair or death by injection? And who does the deed?