Sick of being nice to not be considered a bigot.

[Chichianti]

I used to consider myself left wing. I don’t even know what what means anymore. I don’t want any good human beings to suffer or live unassisted lives in poverty.

However I’ve hit my 40s and now want all rapists and murdered - especially of women - to be absolutely yeeted from this country and the earth. I don’t care how. Death penalty, deportation, life imprisonment.
im just beyond sick of men that rape and murder women. Kill them, deport them, put them away for the rest of their lives. I don’t give a fuck about their wellbeing or their skin colour. White men or black
men. Any man who rapes or murders women.

Throw them into the sea to drown. I don’t care if its
inhumane. Just rid the earth of men who rape
and murder.

Kill all rapists and child murderers. Fuck their human rights.

One innocent person on death row is enough for me to be against it, no matter how much I wish for death on violent criminals. Longer, harsher sentencing is definitely called for. I'd even go as far as chemical castration for sex crimes.

Here you go. These data are absolutely shocking 😲

Archive copy of the Telegraph article, Foreigners convicted of nearly a quarter of sex crime, March 2025:
https://archive.ph/b6krf

Is there something in the water tonight, with so many of us in agreement with your political turnaround?! I was a bratty leftie who would happily argue with anyone who dared to critique my judgment. I'm cautiously moving to a more centre right position and It feels very liberating to finally admit, I got it so very very wrong.

It's not something in the water, a load of right wingers, who have converted from being nasty lefties, have formed a circle jerk. It happens here all the time.

My politics haven't changed in 50 years. I'm still a leftish centrist. Politics isn't all about social attitudes and 'identities', or it shouldn't be. It's about bigger things like managing the economy, defence, and how much of a rich/poor division you believe is acceptable. Healthcare, education, infrastructure and commerce.

Trying to split left & right by personality type is very American. The US governmental system is completely different from ours and, like many others, I see it as clumsy. You can, in fact, agree with the other 'side' on some things and be strongly opposed to them on others. If we continue down this road of US-style polarisation, we'll end up with increasingly ineffective governance and much worse problems.

For everyone still thinking it's 'right wing' to worry about criminal immigrants and 'left' to ignore the issue: the Tories commissioned a report on this almost ten years ago, then did nothing with the information.

I suspect the problem isn't left/right allegiance, it's pressure from very loud 'social justice' campaigners. They like to call themselves 'left' but, in reality, some of their views verge on fascistic or, at best, dictatorial. Don't listen to those wankers; engage your thinking brain and see what actually reliable sources have to say.

I don’t know what I am. I think “left and right” seems obsolete and old fashioned. It’s far more nuanced than that.

Utterly agree with some of the posts heres views on the left and feel relieved I’m not the only one! My family and friends largely have a “left good / right bad” 6th form student politics view of the world and I used to. But several issues have opened my eyes to the left. When I admitted I’d stopped getting the guardian my mother said in shocked tones “are you Reform?!”. Ha no way I find them repellent so now feel politically homeless.

An example is I listened to toby young on a podcast (as Dd met him as her friends family know him) and found I largely agreed with him. When I mentioned his name my family’s immediate response “dreadful right wing bigot”. So I kept quiet as that may mean I am as well!

@jetlag92 I agree low level crime should be taken much more seriously, how many times do we hear of a serious crime by someone with a history of minor convictions, people tend to escalate the more they get away with it.

I also think there should be interventions and assistance for men at risk of becoming sex offenders. Many start out as vulnerable disturbed children or teens who are drawn into a world of toxic masculinity online, or are victims of abuse themselves. Horrible and all as it is, there should be a safe space or service for a man who finds himself fantasising about rape to get help before that gets deeply ingrained and ends up becoming a reality.

Violent pornography can easily be shut down and made illegal, we just need to get a legal definition and put resources into it. Its is entirely possible in the same way images of child abuse can be traced and pursued, there just isn't enough incentive to do it. Yes some people will find a way and it can't be totally eliminated, but those people are not vulnerable 11 yr olds on a school bus. Those that claim 'but we only want it for ourselves, some women like it too...' can just F off and use their imagination. It is one of the most dangerous and damaging things in our society and its everywhere, literally in everyone's back pocket.

The more I think about it there's so much that can be done, without resorting to killing each other as OP suggests.

Me, too. I don't give a shiny shite about their 'human rights".

I understand the feeling but there can never be a perfect justice system so it would always lead to terrible miscarriages of justice. Sentences should be way longer though.

Yeah, don't they say that your more left liberal when young but as you grow and mature you become more centre right leaning
Not sure who "they" are though 😂

’They’ are the kind of Tory who tries to naturalise being right-wing as some kind of side-effect of age and wisdom.

Beginning to think maybe it is.

I would also vote for you, OP!

I strongly agree and what you've written definitely resonates.

Yeah but some of them might be able to swim.

The Guardian is so predictable.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b061b37b0764b1164d07b118c6130091256c5c9aa609acf1a7c63c2dcf5c2f30.png

I bet they were all male though. I think sex (regardless of nationality or race) is a much bigger predictor of criminality.

Rape also has a low report to conviction rate across the board and that is a big problem. The gangs report is shocking, but so is the way women are treated in general when they are raped and that’s the reason so many don’t report. I am horrified by what I read here on Mumsnet and also what I have come across in real life. Rape in marriage is actually pretty common.

From the article linked to above - “Two nationalities – Afghans and Eritreans – were more than 20 times more likely to account for sexual offence convictions than British citizens”

What I don’t understand is why leave to remain or citizenship isn’t contingent upon good behaviour - I don’t see why any infraction of our laws shouldn’t result in immediate deportation.

The data is absolutely shit. It assumes that every offender of an unknown nationality is a migrant for a start.

And it only looks at convictions, which is sadly a pointless measure when it comes to sexual offences as so few reported crimes lead to convictions, let alone how many aren’t reported to begin with.

The Telegraph report is from data I have linked to above, which clearly differentiates between known and unknown nationalities.

We can discuss the high bar that is required for sexual assault convictions, but to discount convictions data “because it’s shit” seems counterproductive. I am curious as to what evidence you feel is necessary to prove that there is a problem, let alone start considering solutions. It feels as though yours is exactly the type of response that has led to the situation continuing.

EDIT link addedMoJ

The law and the legal system is too flawed to end someone's life or torture them endlessly on the results of a court case. If I had a magic wand and could magically know what crimes someone had done, and then could magically make them un-exist for those crimes, I'd probably consider it.

As it is, we can't, and have to rely on the system we have. Longer sentences or not, our prison system is not fit for purpose. Why put someone in prison for two, five, thirty years, if they're stuck in their cell for 23 hours a day with no education or therapy or hope for their future? They come out even more damaged, hooked on more drugs, with even less to lose: what stake do they have in behaving well then?

We have to look at improving recidivism rates, offering early interventions, and role-modelling better male behaviour in society. Where that will come from, I don't know. I assume it's the same place as my magic wand.

Thank you for saying this! There is nothing “socialist” about ignoring the rape and murder of women and children (or men, for that matter).

And just off the top of my head, China and Soviet Russia both had the death penalty and harsh penalties for criminals. I am not suggesting emulating either of those two countries, but there’s no contradiction between being socialist and tough on crime.

Can be left wing and think immigration should be controlled and burqas and niqabs banned 🤷🏻‍♂️ not sure about capital punishment and torturing murderers to death.