Labour isn't working - Thread 4

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

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Exactly.
I mean, how bad do they need to get.

Ikr, why? You still get posters on here very loyal to Labour. Public sector are more likely to stick with them.

Corbyn / Sultana party might shake it up a bit.

Public sector bloated gravy train will always vote for their narrow short-term interest.

That’s another factor. The more people relying on the state the more votes go to increasing that pay / reliance.

I suppose it’ll up end eventually as we can’t just borrow out of it as Labour seem to want.

Correct. But they are convinced they are morally superior to those working in the private sector.
I must admit I am finding it hard not to get agitated at my Labour-supporting neighbour, who retired from teaching at 55, pottering around in her new car as my husband faces the scrapheap at 62.
I'm not bitter, oh no 😬

That sounds about right.
Does your labour-supporting neighbour also claim that she votes labour for the greater good, rather than her own self interest? That's their usual MO.
Pour some weedkiller on her favourite flowers. It'll make you feel better 😂

So many posters on here going on about getting more taxes out of people as if it’s a moral high ground, amd they have been for last few years. It’s not, it’s just wanting others to pay.

Thanks to that we have Labour for another four years and god knows how that will work as borrowing goes up.

As for Starmer’s ‘fraying at the edges’ does he realise yet he’s a major input to that

No I honestly don't believe he has the self awareness or EI to understand that he is in a situation of his own making

Well said Eastern 👏

What's this fraying around the edges all about? Sorry I'm on holiday at the moment so a bit out of the loop with politics.

I didn’t really follow it I think it was a Starmer comment, looking it up it seems he’s asking ministers to restore social cohesion as things were ‘fraying’, with potential riots.

He really is clueless and all this is on him.

And Starmer saying there are lots of houses available 🤣🤣🤣🤣he could not get anything more wrong every time he opens his stupid mouth

Well, certainly lots of people willing to lend Starmer houses anyway but not quite the same options for the rest of us!

That sound bite is going to kick his ass all over the place it was said on Monday at the select committee and now it’s all over the news this am what an absolute plank

Starmer is embarrassing. They all are.

He seems to swing from demonising migrants himself, to labelling others with concerns as right wing bandwagon jumpers. Which is it?

Things don't look good in Epping 😬

I've just looked it up. So now the police are admitting that they did escort masked counter-protesters into the middle of what was at that point a peaceful protest after all.

But that spectacular error of judgement - and the entirely predictable escalation whixh resulted - wasn't the police's fault, because 'human rights'.

Compare it to Gideon Falter who the Met police threatened with arrest for breach of the peace for being 'openly Jewish' beside a pro-Palestine march last year.

It seems to be yet another example of 2-tier policing.

Oh really? Where have you seen that please? The police denied it outright yesterday, but there are videos online that suggest otherwise. I thought it was just Farage shit stirring tbh.

Yes, absolutely.

@twistyizzy sorry about your DH's job. You say he won't be entitled to any benefits, but he should be entitled to contribution-based JSA. It is not means tested, unless he is in receipt of an occupational pension.

It isn't much and only for six months I think, but better than nothing?

Thank you, we just assumed as he gets a bit of a payout that he wouldn't be entitled to anything

Job cuts accelerate as Reeves tax raid bites

“The flash UK PMI survey for July shows the economy struggling to expand as we move into the second half of the year,” said Chris Williamson, chief business economist at S&P Global.

“The sluggish output growth reported in July reflected headwinds of deteriorating order books, subdued business confidence and rising costs, all of which were widely linked to the ongoing impact of the policy changes announced in last autumn’s Budget and the broader destabilising effect of geopolitical uncertainty.

“Particularly worrying is the sustained impact of the Budget measures on employment. Higher staffing costs have exacerbated firms’ existing concerns over payroll numbers in the current environment of weak demand, resulting in another month of sharply reduced headcounts in July.

Really sorry to those feeling this reality. I can’t believe people still back Labour. Maybe they feel the state will provide them more in taxes taken.

FFS 😡 how could NI etc NOT impact jobs?? Incompetent morons

It's infuriating isn't it? So many lives and livelihoods damaged in one year.

It’s so bloody frustrating. I previously worked for a staffing/recruitment firm. After a tough couple of years post Liz Truss we were seeing green shoots of recovery in April/May 24 as confidence was returning. Once the election was called things took a nose dive and had not recovered when I left (of my own choice) at the end of the year. A number of my former colleagues have been made redundant since then so I can’t imagine it’s got any better. Luckily, I am a lawyer so moved to a different sector when I changed roles. But not everyone has that option. The current Government are completely incompetent. Things had really calmed down under Sunak and Hunt. If only they had stayed in power.

It occurred to me (STILL mithering about my neighbour) that a lot if Labour public sector supporters can support Labour's policies as they can be fairly confident they won't affect them. Any loss of headcount is usually managed out by favourable early retirement packages etc. A worker in their early 60s (assuming they are still actually working anyway) is unlikely to be just thrown out with two months wages.
I do have a very loud bee in my bonnet about this but these public sector pensions contributions really have to be looked at seriously. We are constantly hearing bitching and wingeing about pay yet the generous pensions (and the government still contributes well over 20% of wages) are never mentioned.
We were always told that public sector were paid less (although that is nonsense these days) because they got better pensions, but nowadays they seem to want (and largely get) both.