Labour isn't working - Thread 4

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

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How on earth do Labour justify the amendments to only cut benefits for new claimants whilst existing ones continue at a different level?!?

Either the new payments are reasonable - in which case they're wrong not to change it for existing claimants... or else they're unreasonable - in which case they're selling young people and those who aren't yet disabled up the river!

Plus it doesn't take a genius to see that existing claimants will never risk taking a job if it means they lose their protected benefit level forever!

It's a completely stupid, craven approach which makes things even worse than they were before. Which is saying something!

It's crazy isn't it @strawberrybubblegum . It should be based on need, not whether you became ill before or after Labour came to power. They need to ditch this bill and go back to the drawing board.

I grind my teeth every time one of the ministers starts banging on about getting people back to work. PiP is a non-means tested, in-work benefit. There is no disincentive to try work, because you don't lose PIP if you work!

There is also a worry about those who have fluctuating conditions. If they lose PIP for a while, but then need to re-claim it if their health deteriorates again, they will be assessed under the new criteria. Many will no longer qualify so the government will still get their wish.

Ah, I see - that's good that it doesn't become a disincentive to work since it isn't means tested. But still seems really wrong to treat new claimants differently to existing claimants with the same level of need.

Sorry it's behind a pay wall. What's the gist of the article please?

My labour mp is not on the list of rebels so Ive sent them an email to add a little pressure to their inbox.

Morning @TheNuthatch

I'll gift it so you can read it although I haven't had chance to yet

www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/b07c8bc912744634

And yet they had 14 years to think up policies!

It’s Almost like they spent that time concentrating on the Tories rather than thinking about what they could do better. Shocking I know. They’ve got zero idea what they’re doing, like a 6th form lunch club in charge. But worse.

Thank you
So in essence, they are rushing it through with too little time for proper scrutiny or testimony, and dressing it as a money bill to avoid the Lords. Marvellous.

Yes just going on about the tories was all they had. And now they’re falling apart.

I agree with this and I am sick to death of it. The record is well and truly broken now.
Before the benefits U-turn, RR was interviewed and in a 2 min interview, she shoehorned in The Tories no less than three times.
I am sorry, I just can't stand her. For the first time in my life, I am starting to understand the seemingly irrational and blind dislike people had for Margart Thatcher. I never 'got' it before but I think I am starting to get it for RR. I can't listen to her. She'll be gone by Christmas.

Same. I avoid listening to Starmer and Rayner too. Actually it’s just better if they’re all out.

The 14 years of Tories response is looking pretty thin. It's certainly less able to hide the last year in which this government has managed to make it significantly worse through incompetence, arrogance and mismanagement made plain by so many u-turns that Labour supporters must be dizzy to keep up the support for the revolving door policies.

Yes a complete lack of positive vision. The rhetoric of ‘it’s all broken’ was always hubris - they don’t believe education is broken, as they had no serious vision to improve anything. And in fact their policies amount to ‘the state can cope with more SEN kids with no extra funds’.

as for ‘fixing the foundations’ - which foundations have they fixed?

trumpeting micro-improvements (Oooh our economic growth was positive for three months)
is dismal.

Well, it's not that the state can cope with more sen children, it's that Labour have decided the way to deal with the issue by treating sen children like an accounting problem and reducing the number of visible children who need significant help by withdrawing access to much needed EHCPs outside of state school settings.

Magic.

Those repeated lines are so bad. Whilst they implode too.

One year in and they’re doing the worst in any polling for a new gov. Not a surprise.

They tried to sneak it through as a 'money bill' meaning it wouldn't need to go through the House of Lords, also without proper consultation and very quickly, mainly. Sorry thought it was free to share.

All really familiar tactics for people who follow the snp’s wonderful education policies @Upstartled -

The Labour MP was ridiculous this morning. The usual arrogance and lies. Idk how they get away with it.

Who was is, and what did they say Eastern? I missed the media round this morning, I just caught a bit of Danny Kruger on Sky.

Streeting was good on the Sunday shows yesterday I thought.

Jacqui Smith I think. Usual nonsense re a ‘broken system’ and trying to spin it all as good, even as that many MPs disagree.

Then followed by a French NF spokesperson talking about three things they’d do in 2027 as crossings rise. Whoever cracks on voting what they suggest eg navy will reshape EU politics

Thank you. My WiFi is shit today. Im in a portakabin with a small fan which basically feels like Im sat in an airfryer 🥵. My posts may be a bit grumpy today!

Blimey, blast from the past. They must be getting desperate if they've dragged her out.

Starmer has given interviews to the weekend papers, in which he blames all the mistakes on him being distracted. WTAF! Apparently he didnt read the island of strangers speech beforehand. It is literally his job to run the fucking country without being distracted. He isn't fit to be pm.

Keir Starmer’s last-ditch effort to quell welfare cuts rebellion

https://www.thetimes.com/article/148e9717-3009-4a31-88f5-551e99cfc589?shareToken=bca59436168717b62468c47b3e551610

He’s absolutely hopeless.

Andy Burnham pushing for MPs to vote down. It is mad that if you’d vote down the changes today you’re ok with them for future claimants.

Good luck in heat, it’s boiling.

agree I saw the ‘oooh I didn’t get the historical echo’ and I thought - so we’ve got talentless poorly educated people writing key speeches who didn’t have the sense to google when using emotive and provoking language to see if there were any historical echoes.

well isn’t that business as usual for them!