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Greta’s flotilla

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TheSnugMoose · 09/06/2025 12:08

What are you thoughts on this? 13 people including Greta Thunberg were travelling to Palestine via boat with supplies. It’s been intercepted by Isreal and diverted.

Whatvare your thoughts? I’m guessing they will simply be deported, maybe with a severe telling off? The UN and the Palestinian foreign ministry have vocalised their support and asked for them to be allowed to continue their journey, however Isreal have said it was nothing more than a vanity exercise and they had very limited supplies on board to actually give aid.

What do you think will happen to the activists on board? Do you think they were right to go? Do you think they genuinely wanted to help or it was more about raising awareness?

I like Greta and I love that she has, so far, used her life to champion causes and she seems like a clever and funny woman. But I wonder if this trio was always doomed and what their long term plan was, especially if they had little aid onboard? But if that was their intention, maybe they just wanted to raise awareness of their feelings on the situation? Should anyone be trying to intervene like this or should it be left to proper channels?

I know feelings are high about this and I want to say I don’t support any of the awful things that have happened and recognise bad things on both sides. I don’t care for Israel’s terrible behaviour or Hamas’ awful doings, I do however care for the innocent people in the middle on both sides. This thread is just to get general thoughts on this…’mission’.

Just to add my thoughts: if this was a genuine aid mission then I respect them putting themselves potentially at risk (due to the boat trip) to care for others but also feel like it’s extremely naive and not actually the right thing to do, there has to be better ways to support?

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mumandmumber · 09/06/2025 17:49

Jojo2408 · 09/06/2025 17:47

Did you get your information from an IDF Facebook page or something?

Which part or parts of this statement do you question?

Jojo2408 · 09/06/2025 17:52

A reputable source would be nice. I’d like to see definitive evidence that all of the members of Hamas are misogynistic and blocking aid to their own people.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 09/06/2025 17:52

Has anyone any news on what is happening now? Will the IDF allow them to sail back or be deported by plane

Livelovebehappy · 09/06/2025 17:52

Jojo2408 · 09/06/2025 17:47

Did you get your information from an IDF Facebook page or something?

Which bit of my post are you challenging? Hamas are terrorists. They are misogynistic. They do intercept aid coming through (very much proven) And Greta might be doing it because she cares, but I suspect she is also doing it to put herself out there in the media. So is being performative.

MissMoneyFairy · 09/06/2025 17:53

EmeraldShamrock000 · 09/06/2025 17:52

Has anyone any news on what is happening now? Will the IDF allow them to sail back or be deported by plane

I don't think she likes planes

FeministUnderTheCatriarchy · 09/06/2025 17:54

I think a lot of people here conveniently ignore that a significant number (50%) of Israelis aren’t of European descent they’re Mizrahi Jews, meaning Middle Eastern Jews.

These are people whose families lived for centuries in countries like Iraq, Yemen, Egypt, Syria, and Iran. They didn’t come to Israel from Europe after the Holocaust, they were expelled or fled violent persecution from Arab countries in the mid-20th century, around the time of the founding of Israel.

These Jewish communities had been in Middle East for generations. Yet after 1948, more than 850,000 Jews were forced out of Arab and Muslim-majority countries. They had their property confiscated, faced mob violence, arrests, and killings. Most of these countries will not take them back, and many have effectively erased their Jewish histories.

Israel became the only place they could go for many Mizrahi Jews after being made stateless by these surrounding Arab countries.

There’s a narrative that Israel is just a colonial project of European Jews, but that ignores the lived experience of half the country’s Jewish population who are indigenous to the region and whose roots in the Middle East go just as deep as any other group there.

It’s absolutely right to care about Palestinian suffering, but we also need to understand the full, complicated history of this region, including the trauma and displacement of Middle Eastern Jews that never gets acknowledged.

So many comments here just completely dismiss and ignore this. 850,000 Jews from Arab countries were cast out. Israel took them in because they had nowhere else to go. These people were born in this region, as were their grandparents (and many generations before them).

Should they be put on boats and sent to the UK to Europe, places they share no heritage or culture with?

The Israeli government is vile.
Hamas are vile.

But let's not pretend that all Israeli Jews were these big baddies who just rocked up and decided to steal some land for the fun of it. Whether fleeing the Holocaust or being cast out of their homes by Arab countries, these people needed somewhere to go that they could try and be safe.

No one wants a one state solution. Not the Israelis and not the Palestinian people. This is clear from many polls and surveys. There is too much trauma on both sides and the ignorance of so many people sitting at home who think they know the answers is astounding.

crumpet · 09/06/2025 17:57

Looks as if the Swedish government are unimpressed www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14794683/sweden-snubs-greta-thunberg-freedom-flotilla.html

mumandmumber · 09/06/2025 18:01

Jojo2408 · 09/06/2025 17:45

Yes, quite right. We should highlight all humanitarian issues globally. Thank you for bringing light to that. But the thread is about Palestine, hence why my original
comment was focused on that.

You see, when we get into these meaningless little debates, we are just taking away from the issue at hand. It’s petty.

I understand your point—and yes, the thread is about Palestine.
But, the thread developed, and selective activism has been discussed.
It’s not petty to question why certain humanitarian crises receive far more attention than others, especially when patterns suggest potential prejudice or double standards.
When outrage is consistently directed at one country—while others committing equal or worse atrocities are overlooked—it’s important to ask why. That’s not a distraction, it’s a necessary part of holding activism accountable. Especially now, when antisemitism is rising globally, the implications of selective outrage matter. Advocacy should include all victims, not unintentionally feed dangerous biases. This conversation isn’t undermining the cause—it’s ensuring that justice is pursued fairly and without prejudice.

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Fitasafiddle1 · 09/06/2025 18:05

Gimmicks and attention seeking in a war situation is just pure dystopia. I sometimes wonder who is Greta’s puppet master or is she paid for this nonsense?

cantthinkofausername26 · 09/06/2025 18:07

So self indulgent, what did she think they were going to do? Does she really think she is that significant? The amount of aid they were carrying would probably have fed all 5 people 🙄

Jojo2408 · 09/06/2025 18:07

mumandmumber · 09/06/2025 18:01

I understand your point—and yes, the thread is about Palestine.
But, the thread developed, and selective activism has been discussed.
It’s not petty to question why certain humanitarian crises receive far more attention than others, especially when patterns suggest potential prejudice or double standards.
When outrage is consistently directed at one country—while others committing equal or worse atrocities are overlooked—it’s important to ask why. That’s not a distraction, it’s a necessary part of holding activism accountable. Especially now, when antisemitism is rising globally, the implications of selective outrage matter. Advocacy should include all victims, not unintentionally feed dangerous biases. This conversation isn’t undermining the cause—it’s ensuring that justice is pursued fairly and without prejudice.

What about rising Islamophobia globally? If we are raising issues fairly and without prejudice, why is this not part of the conversation also?

NaughtyNellie · 09/06/2025 18:14

I like GT. Finally a child who got engaged and doesn’t just scroll on tik tok all day like my own kids who hardly know what’s going on in the news. A lot of people, in particular women, were laughed at, dismissed and had to take so much abuse for standing up for causes they believed in. I think GT will be judged differently when history is written.

mumandmumber · 09/06/2025 18:15

Jojo2408 · 09/06/2025 18:07

What about rising Islamophobia globally? If we are raising issues fairly and without prejudice, why is this not part of the conversation also?

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Absolutely, Islamophobia is on the rise and is another big issue.
But whilst Islamophobic incidents have increased since October 7th, multiple monitoring organizations (CAIR and others) show the rise was generally not as sustained or widespread as the spike in antisemitism.

Tell me, how many Israeli flags have you seen in people’s windows or in their social media bios compared to Palestinian?

Selective activism can have very negative consequences.

Jojo2408 · 09/06/2025 18:21

mumandmumber · 09/06/2025 18:15

Absolutely, Islamophobia is on the rise and is another big issue.
But whilst Islamophobic incidents have increased since October 7th, multiple monitoring organizations (CAIR and others) show the rise was generally not as sustained or widespread as the spike in antisemitism.

Tell me, how many Israeli flags have you seen in people’s windows or in their social media bios compared to Palestinian?

Selective activism can have very negative consequences.

I think it’s quite obvious why there are more people flying the Palestinian flag compared to the Israeli flag.

MummytoE · 09/06/2025 18:30

BloodandGlitter · 09/06/2025 16:42

At least she's not just sitting on a thread bitching about people who are taking action.

Perhaps the IDF could be forced to watch videos of their own atrocities and see if they change their mind? Perhaps the video of the Doctor in Gaza receiving the bodies of 9 of her children while she worked.

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Amen!

mumandmumber · 09/06/2025 18:31

Jojo2408 · 09/06/2025 18:21

I think it’s quite obvious why there are more people flying the Palestinian flag compared to the Israeli flag.

Yes for sure. But have you considered why those who might have thought about displaying an Israeli flag had to think twice about it?

Midnightlove · 09/06/2025 18:32

Comedycook · 09/06/2025 12:20

Nearly 20 million are experiencing severe hunger and food shortages in Yemen....I wonder why she didn't go there to deliver aid?

Exactly.. or south Sudan.. oh because gaza is the trendy bandwagon to jump on at the moment 🙄

southerngirl10 · 09/06/2025 18:36

Hope they don't demand a ransom for her release.

That would be ironic, wouldn't it, Take aid to Gaza and it costs more in ransom money to get her released.

Oh, hang on, David Beckham and Prince William are on their way to rescue her in a yacht of their own, captained by Queen Camilla. Hurray!

cakeorwine · 09/06/2025 18:37

I wonder what the effect would be of letting independent journalists into Gaza to see what is going on in there?

From what I understand, outside media is not allowed inside Gaza.

Maybe they should be. Then people can see for themselves what it's like in there.

NaughtyNellie · 09/06/2025 18:41

Midnightlove · 09/06/2025 18:32

Exactly.. or south Sudan.. oh because gaza is the trendy bandwagon to jump on at the moment 🙄

You think Gaza is a trendy bandwagon? I would love to know which causes you champion and burn/
fight for. Or do you just think people who oppose genocide like to be trendy? Do you have no humanity?

BigALittleABouncingB · 09/06/2025 18:43

Jojo2408 · 09/06/2025 17:52

A reputable source would be nice. I’d like to see definitive evidence that all of the members of Hamas are misogynistic and blocking aid to their own people.

I'd like to see evidence that ANY members of Hamas AREN'T misogynistic and blocking aid to their own people. You really think some of them are nice guys?

cakeorwine · 09/06/2025 18:45

BigALittleABouncingB · 09/06/2025 18:43

I'd like to see evidence that ANY members of Hamas AREN'T misogynistic and blocking aid to their own people. You really think some of them are nice guys?

The media aren't allowed in - so how would either side produce evidence about food aid and where it's going.

BigALittleABouncingB · 09/06/2025 18:49

cakeorwine · 09/06/2025 18:45

The media aren't allowed in - so how would either side produce evidence about food aid and where it's going.

You really think some of them are nice guys?

cakeorwine · 09/06/2025 18:50

BigALittleABouncingB · 09/06/2025 18:49

You really think some of them are nice guys?

What's the word - straw man?

When you look at what someone said and then post something different?

How do you know what is happening to food aid in Gaza?

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