Thread 25 Starmer - Cheers for a falling out among thieves

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https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5338688-thread-24-starmer-casting-the-net-wider?

So one person in over thirty years ... I've met more people who have read de Sade 😀

I admit I was secretly hoping there'd be mention of a rumbustious talk he gave at a London sixth form 😎

Any other Londoners remember the unemployment stats on a banner opposite parliament on Country Hall ? And the sheer spite of Thatcher abolishing the GLC. Makes Trump look positively statesmanlike.

Here's one for the oldies: "I voted for ILEA"

Semantically it's correct. You can read it on two levels.

Now that thread could do with a lecture on context.

Hence why they want rid of Equalities Act. As Lowe said - to take us back in time.

YaxleyLennon has a charge sheet as long as my arm involving fraud, violence and stalking, harassment causing violence - none of this seems to matter to his supporters.

I am a few years older but feel very much like the new kid on the block when it comes to British politics

When I think of Thatcher, I think of Reagan as those 2 dominated foreign politics for me.

The tommy ten names supporters do have difficulties making their minds up

https://bsky.app/profile/ottoenglish.bsky.social/post/3lqyw4e4dp22d

Oh, that is hilarious. Please some-one post it on the Yaxley-Lennon thread.

No don’t, it’s some left wing expertise that they don’t like.

In 2025, it must be possible to organise some sort of activism focused on forcing the anti-ECHR cabal into having to whine about their human rights.

Maybe there already is, and this is the first strike ?

And even if there isn't, it would do no harm to suggest to the SYLs of this world that there is. Remember how paranoid people get as they pull away from the centre.

Two film treats. here ... one the evergreen

and the other from Raiders of the Lost Ark

"Nazis. I hate these guys"

I am staying well clear of that thread, let them fume about 'free speech'

Any other Londoners remember the unemployment stats on a banner opposite parliament on Country Hall ?

I’m not a Londoner but I remember it vividly. I also remember going on a student march in the early 80s (mature student) and the police kettling us outside County Hall. The people working there were opening windows and helping marchers through to help alleviate the pressure.

Anyone else remember this?

https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw251471/Gone-with-the-Wind-Ronald-Reagan-Margaret-Thatcher

I have never seen that before but that is very good

Sensible article on ECHR from DAG.

“The Tories should remember that there are other ways of achieving goals than demands to leave and repeal. They should realise they are politicians and not protesters.”
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/ideas/law/the-weekly-constitutional/70090/conservatives-the-echr-needs-practical-reform-not-quitting

Have enjoyed reading all the posts this morning, I was 19 when Thatcher won in 1979 & pregnant with Ds.
I still feel dread when her name is mentioned, she set the country on the path of destruction we are all still living the aftermath of many policies she implemented.
John Smith was an excellent politician.

I remember a Spitting Image sketch of them meeting, and Reagan opining wistfully:

"It's a shame I'm only screwing her country".

Maybe that explains my high bar for satire.

My aunt and uncle had that one in their downstairs loo.

I remember the shock when Thatcher abolished the GLC. It really was deliberately nasty.

I went to a talk Ken Livingstone gave, years ago now, in a local hall, and I was very impressed by him.

Edited to say: I wasn’t really much of a fan until then. One thing I do remember was him talking about the tube union (would it have been Aslef?) and how regularly he was in talks with them. Whereas Boris (who was PM at this point) refused to talk to them, hence strikes.

My parents friends very radical teenage son had this one on the back of his bedroom door. A best seller in its day

www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/use-this-image/?mkey=mw294059

I’d forgotten about that one @bombastix.

I lived in Ireland, student and working for most of Thatcher's 'reign'.

Was working in London when she left Downing Street. We celebrated with a bottle of bubbly.

@bombastix That poster was in the students union bar.

Devasted when Kinnock lost but what a celebration when Blair got in..

Though tbh, he was v soon embroiled in scandal, i think the first one was Formula 1 boss Ecclestone and a £1m labour party donation.... Blair then exempted F1 from the ban on tobacco sponsorship.... my blinkers soon came off after that... not least when he refused to curtail right to buy or even allow councils to build replace council housing.

Makes Starmer given a suit, all declared and above board, look v trivial but Labour don't have the support of the 'press like Blair did.

That’s one of the main issues if only Labour had even a little of the support from the press that Tony Blair enjoyed.
I clearly remember the palpable feeling of relief & excitement when Labour won in 1997 I was working for a homeless/addictions charity we really reaped the rewards of excellent funding streams & a real desire for tackling issues & making a real difference for so many.

I remember it too. It didn’t last long though. His first act was to send Harriet Harmon out to defend cutting single parents’ benefits. I hadn’t anticipated shouting at the radio again so soon.