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Thread 25 Starmer - Cheers for a falling out among thieves

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DuncinToffee · 06/06/2025 11:37

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LittleBowSheep · 07/06/2025 13:38

This has been referred to on the Trump thread but I thought it might be worth mentioning it here too.

In the meeting Trump had with German Chancellor Merz on Thursday, Merz mentioned that the following day was the 81st anniversary of D-Day. Trump "joked" that it 'was not a pleasant day for you' to which Merz replied with dignity saying 'In the long run, Mr. President, this was the liberation of my country from Nazi dictatorship'.

Just when I thought Trump couldn't get any dumber...

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/06/05/merz-trump-oval-russia-00389856

MaybeNotBob · 07/06/2025 14:47

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Thread 25 Starmer - Cheers for a falling out among thieves
Willowkins · 07/06/2025 15:02

Just saw this snippet from BBC news:

In Cornwall, the Liberal Democrats, Labour and the Conservatives refused to work with Reform UK, even though it was the biggest party and had won the most seats.
Instead, the Lib Dems teamed up with independent councillors to run Cornwall Council as a minority administration.
That infuriated Reform UK's group leader in Cornwall, Rob Parsonage, who branded the coalition deal "undemocratic" and "a total stitch-up".

Apparently, the refusal was based on a lack of Reform policies other than stopping the boats and cutting expenditure.

Oh and here's more Haworthia tax - it's now having a baby 😍

SerendipityJane · 07/06/2025 15:32

BIWI · 07/06/2025 12:40

I remember the shock when Thatcher abolished the GLC. It really was deliberately nasty.

I went to a talk Ken Livingstone gave, years ago now, in a local hall, and I was very impressed by him.

Edited to say: I wasn’t really much of a fan until then. One thing I do remember was him talking about the tube union (would it have been Aslef?) and how regularly he was in talks with them. Whereas Boris (who was PM at this point) refused to talk to them, hence strikes.

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Meeting "Red Ken" in person was a very early demonstration to me of how most mainstream media is full of shit. That was 1983, and nothing - nothing - that has happened since then has happened to make me change my mind.

It was particularly around the "Irish problem" where he was being portrayed as the devil incarnate because he had pointed out that it really was this simple:

  1. keep fighting
  2. talk to the people on the other side to try to find a peace.

And if you reject one, you can only pursue the other. Which made the British governments position deeply immoral as they were pursing (1) whilst pretending to the country there was somehow a (3).

Now that needs a lot of nuance, and the motivation of not wanting to be blowing up in an IRA bomb (I grew up in London in the 70s and 80s) to open your ears.

Admittedly things weren't helped because it was all mixed up with a load of socialist claptrap.

P.J. O'Rourke visited Ireland in the 80s (not that you'd know as that chapter has been removed from reprints of "Holidays in Hell" - yet another reason to prefer old media to digital). He was struck by the fact that both sides said "This is an acceptable level of violence". Meaning the British government had a number of innocent civilians they'd see dead before there was a problem.

Critics of Thatcher can note that her views on Ireland were completely and utterly wrong and if you take it would have been possible to come to a treaty earlier, then indirectly responsible for the continuation of the troubles.

Yo'd probably never get them to admit it (although I could see it happening) but it's hard to fight the feeling that there is part of the nostalgia that appears to drive Reform that includes dealing with the IRA.

placemats · 07/06/2025 15:46

Ken Livingstone was my MP for a while when living in London and I went on holiday to London to be part of the big party he threw when the GLC was disbanded. Great night, will never forget it.

LlynTegid · 07/06/2025 15:56

Ken Livingstone came to talk to the University Labour club and at the time two of the club officers were among those with whom I shared a house. There was a spare room as one person had moved out, so Mr Livingstone stayed in our house before returning to London the next morning.

SerendipityJane · 07/06/2025 16:15

So I can find things to admire about Ken Livingstone and Margaret Thatcher.

Does that make me a Tory ?
Does it make me a socialist ?

No, my friends, you know what it makes me - above and beyond all else ?
It makes me fucking British. And proud of it too.

Now fuck off.

(The speech I never gave 😀 I added the Logan Roy sting to freshen it up. )

DuncinToffee · 07/06/2025 17:20

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Times: Zia Yusuf is returning to Reform UK just 48 hours after resigning as the party’s chairman and will take up a new role following peace talks with Nigel Farage

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dontcallmelen · 07/06/2025 17:24

BIossomtoes · 07/06/2025 13:33

I remember it too. It didn’t last long though. His first act was to send Harriet Harmon out to defend cutting single parents’ benefits. I hadn’t anticipated shouting at the radio again so soon.

I’d totally forgotten that Blossom
also heard Ken Livingstone speak can’t remember the circumstances now though was a long time ago some sort of rally I think Yy the abolishing of the GLC was very spiteful (Horace Cutler always reminded me of the child catcher)

cardibach · 07/06/2025 18:21

I’d forgotten it until I went to the ‘Strike!’ Exhibition at the museum in Cardiff. We had one in my student house.

cardibach · 07/06/2025 18:24

MaybeNotBob · 07/06/2025 14:47

<Laughing emoji>

Oh this really needs the 🤣 reaction!

cardibach · 07/06/2025 18:27

BIossomtoes · 07/06/2025 13:33

I remember it too. It didn’t last long though. His first act was to send Harriet Harmon out to defend cutting single parents’ benefits. I hadn’t anticipated shouting at the radio again so soon.

They committed to following Tory spending plans for a period of time. It’s how they got the press on side I think. They soon stopped that - which I hope is how this administration will go.

PickAChew · 07/06/2025 22:21

LittleBowSheep · 07/06/2025 22:14

Apologies for another item stolen from the Trump thread but I thought this was quite appropriate for us cat lovers. Take a look at the comments on this thread, the one titled 'Military Parades are for pussies'. Love it.

https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3lqztv5raxs2h

Wonderful but I had to scroll through some proper batshittery to get to it 😂

DuncinToffee · 07/06/2025 23:09

The Observer is reporing that schools will receive an extra £4.5bn a year in this week’s spending review, taking the funding for each pupil in England to its highest-ever level

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BIWI · 07/06/2025 23:10

That’s really good news

PickAChew · 08/06/2025 00:00

Are labour finally getting back to their principles?

Saucery · 08/06/2025 06:23

Is that to cover the staffing budget rises? Good news anyway.

SerendipityJane · 08/06/2025 09:42

DuncinToffee · 07/06/2025 23:09

The Observer is reporing that schools will receive an extra £4.5bn a year in this week’s spending review, taking the funding for each pupil in England to its highest-ever level

Am I remembering they expect to raise £4.5 billion in VAT on private schools ? 😈

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SerendipityJane · 08/06/2025 10:18

DuncinToffee · 08/06/2025 10:00

Badenoch latest

https://bsky.app/profile/joxley.jmoxley.co.uk/post/3lr3dl2yeyk2x

Well, this seems like the end for a certain type of Conservatism.

For some reason (possibly following the second Punic war on TRIH) I am reminded that the Roman way of war was just relentless battle after battle after battle (an unheard of 23 years to fight the first Punic war).

I wonder if Badenoch has Livy or Plutarch on her bedside table ?

PandoraSocks · 08/06/2025 10:19

DuncinToffee · 08/06/2025 10:00

Badenoch latest

https://bsky.app/profile/joxley.jmoxley.co.uk/post/3lr3dl2yeyk2x

Well, this seems like the end for a certain type of Conservatism.

Purging the last vestiges of decency from the party. Finishing what Johnson started, I suppose.

Notonthestairs · 08/06/2025 10:19

DuncinToffee · 08/06/2025 10:00

Badenoch latest

https://bsky.app/profile/joxley.jmoxley.co.uk/post/3lr3dl2yeyk2x

Well, this seems like the end for a certain type of Conservatism.

Well, the Lib Dems will be happy about that. 🥳
Weird decree though - their commission hasn't recommended anything yet so what is there to agree or disagree with?

BIossomtoes · 08/06/2025 10:19

DuncinToffee · 08/06/2025 10:00

Badenoch latest

https://bsky.app/profile/joxley.jmoxley.co.uk/post/3lr3dl2yeyk2x

Well, this seems like the end for a certain type of Conservatism.

She’s just killed the Tory party. Why vote for fake Reform when you can have the real thing? I can’t believe this has happened in my lifetime.

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