Thread 25 Starmer - Cheers for a falling out among thieves

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I was 29 in 1997.

Some of you need to be gently warned : step away from the Tommy Many Names thread. Back away quietly. Don't make eye contact. And then don't go back.

Maybe we should try to stop it being brutal on the level of ‘charisma’ and start questioning policies harder. And I mean that for all parties.

Oddly thats possibly also true for me! There are a number of younger, and even objectively young, people in my choir, but the average skews quite high.

You are correct. But people are being wrong on the internet. What am I supposed to do, ignore them? 🤣

I don’t agree with any of his policies.

I moved here in 1996, most of it went over my head but I do remember the elation of DH, his family and friends when Labour won.

I’m a 1959er

Sorry @cardibach but I don’t agree with you re charisma. IMVHO that’s one of the key reasons why Gordon Brown couldn’t succeed after Tony Blair. He just couldn’t ‘perform’ in front of the cameras, as he lacked that charisma.

Ironically, because I met him at one of the MNHQ birthday parties, in real life he was so much more charismatic. Somehow his real personality just didn’t come across once he was on camera.

am i the youngest here?!!!!!

Born 1980. As I said before MY was PM before I was even born!

You’re younger than my son! 😱

None of them? Not extra free school meals? Nothing on green energy? Nothing on dealing with water companies who pollute? Nothing at all?

Oh, I agree that charisma has come to be important. I’m saying it doesn’t matter to me personally and we’d do better if we stopped it being so important generally. It never used to be. Do you think Willie Whitelaw worried about it?

Oh yes, I totally agree. However, in this day and age, it’s all about how you come across on TV.

But is that something we should seek to change rather than support?

It's helpful seeing which posters show up defending him

Ah! Lots of catching up to do.
Thanks for the new thread and cat tax attached.

You're the same age as my little sister 😊

This is beyond nonsense. She virtually founded the single market. She faced down the Eurosceptics every time, and won. She would neve have kow-towed to the likes of the ERG.

Much as I loathe her, I'm not going to stand by and see this nonsensical revisionism. She would not have supported Brexshit in a million years.

@cardibach We are of a similar age - certainly been able to vote in the same elections.

DB2 partner used to work for Zstarmer and she says the same thing about how he is very different in person. She'd walk over coals for him because of how he was as a boss.

My friend knows him through working from CPS.

She said he’s really funny and has a brilliant wit.

she’s really likes him as a person - staunch Tory supporter politically though!

Starmer that is ^

Probably Rab Butler comes second, would have been a much better Tory PM that the corrupt and nepotisitic Harold Macmillan.

FDR would never have been US President in a tv age, Clement Attlee would possibly not have been the UK post war PM, for example.

Thatcher was a con artist, she had zero principals or convictions, other than what is good for her and the party, she sold out state assets for financial gain, not hers directly but for those of the Tory party and their supporters.

She destroyed Unions, British manufacturing industry.. this was done to make screwing over the country, to make more money, far easier.

Even her so called, greatest triumph, the Falklands, was all about securing her legacy, the only reason she won 3 GE's.

Her skill, was making people believe she was a woman of principal etc etc....

If there was any justice in the UK, the only conviction she would have had is a criminal one.