Thread 25 Starmer - Cheers for a falling out among thieves

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All those years ago

An interesting piece here which has uncanny similarities, I think, to where Starmer is right now, i.e. the need to be seen to be more bold

That's my recollection too

She couldn't give a xxxx about people in social housing, or anyone else, it was about securing future Tory votes.

But you re dead right, Blair didn't change the mandate on building more SH either.

She used the sale of social housing as a form of gerrymandering, she used its sale to bribe people to vote Tory.

I was 42 in 1997. The Tories had run out of steam.

Whether I agreed with her policies (and I didn't) she did believe in something. I think May was at least dutiful and tried to be conscientious. Truss and Badenoch are just incompetent, repulsive and lacking in any belief system.

Ooo. Turns out I’m considerably younger than you! It isn’t obvious.

He rang me at 6.30pm to tell me that the results of his blood test were "reassuringly normal - which is more than can be said for his behaviour in the surgery". 😊 He called again on Monday to check that little Tennyson had recovered from his ordeal. 😁

Very glad to hear that

Yes people like Donald Dewar. A lot of them honed their debating skills at the Glasgow University Union. That included dear Charles Kennedy who was a well known figure on campus. Having said that the GUU was a bastion of sexism which refused to allow women to join.

I agree with all of that, but she did have a belief system, horrible as it was.

Thank you. 🙏

I think Thatcher was our last real conviction politician as PM. I may not have agreed with anything she did - but she made it very clear what she was about.

But Starmer has no charisma and can’t sell his policies. I never voted for Blair but his messaging was clear.
As an aside I caught a bit of Any Questions as I drove to Waitrose to get my Friday gin. Jackie Smith was trying to say that everything was fine because Labour were bringing in free school meals. She had visited lots of schools and teachers were delighted. The audience weren’t having it.

I’m only 44 now. I wasn’t old enough to vote in 1997 🫣😂

I never really knew my mums political preference. My 75 yo dad is firm Labour and hates the Tory’s.

Yes my first thought was I wouldn’t have considered you the same age my late mum would be if she was still with us.

Again a complement Blossom

Good thing you guys can only see the contents of my brain and not my face!

I say considerably. I was 33 in 1997.

I don’t need charisma.
He needs better PR but charisma shouldn’t matter this much.

I was 22 in 97. It was the first election I could vote in and I remember wishing I could have voted for John Smith I was gutted when he died.

Holiday cat tax- yes dh is a soft touch that fed them.

You say that but politics is brutal.

I feel a bit like when I go to choir and realise that I am one of the youngest people in the room , even though I am really quite old.

<ducks>

No need to rub it in! Have we established that I’m the oldest regular poster here?

No, politics has become shallow populist entertainment. It needs to go back to being boring and serious.