Thread 24 Starmer -Casting the net wider

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Some may remember the point that the stock market is not the economy.

PMQs is not politics. It's pantomime.

The whole point of PMQ's is to belittle one's political opponent. Should Starmer put the kid gloves on for Badenoch?

And if he did, would that be misogynistic ?

Go and the read the comments on the BBC article. 🫣

I don't think (and other posters didn't think) Labour should be grovelling to Reform voters

When the Tories were in power, almost all posters here said they should not pander to Reform and tried to advise them not to destroy their party. Hardly the attitudes of partisans ?

Kemi is rubbish. PMQs takes no prisoners, she’s got six questions to skewer Keir Starmer and without exception every week she fluffs it. I note Keir Starmer is increasingly treating her as an irritant, which clearly drives her crazy.

She needs a better team. Or to listen to the one she has.

Kemi does have a problem that other opposition leaders have not. That’s because of Reform where Labour are trying attack them, not the Tories. Keir is treating her as an irrelevance because one it suits him and two, Reform at most get one question. Farage is barely in the Commons.

It suits both Labour and Reform to dismiss the Tories and their leader. They want her to be old news.

Quoted for truth. It’s theatre for MPs. They watch and judge their leader by how it’s done.

The MH crisis in Farming has been on-going for decades, it can be a tough and lonely business, yet despite F&M, Bird Flu, Brexit, the loss of CAP and of EU markets, Ukraine and input costs... nothing not a peep from you or anyone else about Farmers MH.

Only when the blame can be put on a Tax that Labour introduce, & one that most wont pay, do we get a focus on Farmers MH.

It should also be remembered that in almost all of our life times, IHT, for Farms, was at 40% and had to be paid within 6 months.... yet Farming was probably in a better place back then than it is now, certainly for new entrants and we had the lovely Intervention Board buying up anything you couldn't sell.

OH YES IT IS !

Vipers, you disappoint me.

Seems quite effective. Could they want for me to win the lottery too ?

I am guessing 'if you can't afford kids' made an appearance

edit to add that I just had a quick look and it is also full of 'I don't pay tax to feed children'

Always does, like you can just pop them back if you fall on hard times.

I’ve only been watching it for a few years. Doesn’t surprise me it’s a very old tradition by the tone of it.

Id like a better system - including the ability to call a lie a lie.

Whilst you wonder what would appear on a bingo card for these discussions, it's hard to avoid the felling that if you scratched one it would smell of racism.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/03/white-british-minority-in-40-years-report-claims/

I'd rather the penalty for lying was enforced.

It's hard to overstate just how serious an act is is to deliberately lie in the highest court in the land. An act that would result in severe penalties - likely prison - if it happened in any other court (unless you are MI5, of course)

So the act of calling someone a liar in parliament is so serious and grave, it needs to be restricted. Otherwise it just loses it's importance.

I read that yesterday 😂

Because I am a foreigner, my children are classed as non-white British. (as is the king)

Don't fret. We're all foreigners.

100% agree.

If fact checking is against the order it seems a pointless order!

If I had known, I would have waited for this before I flounced off the Brexit board 😂

I'll post it on your behalf

Her initial selection was challenged because her affair with a Tory MP was not disclosed initially, if I recall correctly.

And Zia Yusuf has gone...

Yusuf has resigned. Apparently getting Reform elected isn’t ’good use of his time’.

Wasn't that predicted when Ol' Nige democratised Reform ? Sometime around the Ben Habib hissy fit ?

You can tell I have a "Things I no longer need to know" approach to storing facts.

The curse of Farage!

I claim my five pounds

You recall correctly. They hated her from the outset