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Thread 24 Starmer -Casting the net wider

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DuncinToffee · 20/05/2025 15:15

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DuncinToffee · 04/06/2025 16:46

Billions of pounds of investment in transport infrastructure in England have been announced by Chancellor Rachel Reeves.

The money will be spent on tram, train and bus projects in mayoral authorities across the Midlands, the North and the West Country.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c331ln47e7ko

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SerendipityJane · 04/06/2025 16:48

DuncinToffee · 04/06/2025 16:31

Is the government meeting its pledges on illegal immigration and asylum?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9dqqj0v1ndo

Betteridge's law

derxa · 04/06/2025 16:54

countrygirl99 · 04/06/2025 15:44

Brexit has severely damaged/destroyed at least 3 businesses run by my friends but they get dismissed as remoaners. All 3 were successful before Brexit. 1 is now limited to the UK when nearly a 3rd of their time was providing services in countries still in the UK which is now virtually impossible, the UK market he is working in hasn't expanded so he's working harder in a smaller pool. 1 decided to close and take early retirement due to the extra paperwork and costs, 4 employees made redundant. 1 is still operating but they provide customised items for a hobby and about 25% of their sales were to private individuals in The Netherlands, Germany and Austria which have virtually dried up because of the extra freight costs/duty. They haven't recruited to replace leavers.
Lots of policies hurt some individuals and benefit others.

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Firstly I didn’t vote for Brexit. Secondly the farm inheritance tax will only benefit the the wealthy who will snap up land sold by middle sized farmers. The rumour is it is also part of a government land grab. Thirdly do you want your food grown by British farmers or not?
As James Rebanks. points out at least the EU as a body had knowledge of agriculture and had the interest of farmers at heart. The Tories had some knowledge but proved to not give a shit. Labour have no knowledge about agriculture and have actively tried to destroy farmers livelihood. For the life of me I cannot understand why.

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BIWI · 04/06/2025 16:56

2dogsandabudgie · 04/06/2025 16:14

So what's Starmer doing then to stop it if he knows more migrants cross in warmer weather. He can't just bleat there's nothing they can do and use the weather as an excuse. It's his job to sort it, that's one of the reasons people voted for him because he promised to take back control of our borders as well as saying that small boat crossings were a threat to our national security.

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I don’t really think he’s ‘bleating’ - and I don’t believe that nothing is being done.

It’s a very difficult issue, both practically as well as politically, and it’s not one that’s going to be solved quickly. If it was, do you not think that the Tories would have solved it, given all their ‘bleatings’ about it?

Saucery · 04/06/2025 16:58

The government (Homes England?) have been sat on many acres of farmland near me for 15 years now. It’s still being farmed for the moment. So I wouldn’t put much store by ‘rumours’.

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DuncinToffee · 04/06/2025 16:59

The rumour is

Where is this rumour?

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SerendipityJane · 04/06/2025 17:02

Saucery · 04/06/2025 16:58

The government (Homes England?) have been sat on many acres of farmland near me for 15 years now. It’s still being farmed for the moment. So I wouldn’t put much store by ‘rumours’.

Farming. Housing. Solar panels. New reservoir. Even roads or rails.

Personally I couldn't care less what the land is used for as long as it isn't as a mechanism to maintain house prices for greedy developers.

derxa · 04/06/2025 17:03

SerendipityJane · 04/06/2025 17:02

Farming. Housing. Solar panels. New reservoir. Even roads or rails.

Personally I couldn't care less what the land is used for as long as it isn't as a mechanism to maintain house prices for greedy developers.

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Well that’s exactly what will happen.

PandoraSocks · 04/06/2025 17:04

derxa · 04/06/2025 16:54

Firstly I didn’t vote for Brexit. Secondly the farm inheritance tax will only benefit the the wealthy who will snap up land sold by middle sized farmers. The rumour is it is also part of a government land grab. Thirdly do you want your food grown by British farmers or not?
As James Rebanks. points out at least the EU as a body had knowledge of agriculture and had the interest of farmers at heart. The Tories had some knowledge but proved to not give a shit. Labour have no knowledge about agriculture and have actively tried to destroy farmers livelihood. For the life of me I cannot understand why.

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This blog from a Professor of Economic Geography at LSE argues the opposite.

blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/only-the-super-rich-need-fear-the-farmers-inheritance-tax/

derxa · 04/06/2025 17:09

Saucery · 04/06/2025 16:58

The government (Homes England?) have been sat on many acres of farmland near me for 15 years now. It’s still being farmed for the moment. So I wouldn’t put much store by ‘rumours’.

But that’s how these things work. When we moved to this ex market town it was surrounded by farmland bought for development but was planted and harvested for years. However now 25 years later all that land is covered in houses.

Saucery · 04/06/2025 17:13

derxa · 04/06/2025 17:09

But that’s how these things work. When we moved to this ex market town it was surrounded by farmland bought for development but was planted and harvested for years. However now 25 years later all that land is covered in houses.

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That’s not a land grab by this government though, is it? Sadly, I know the land near me will be built on at some point, but it’s a strategy put in place 15+ years ago. Nothing to do with current Labour.

derxa · 04/06/2025 17:13

PandoraSocks · 04/06/2025 17:04

This blog from a Professor of Economic Geography at LSE argues the opposite.

blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/only-the-super-rich-need-fear-the-farmers-inheritance-tax/

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Well if the report is accurate then it’s not exactly going to plug the famous black hole is it.

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DuncinToffee · 04/06/2025 17:21

Government is closing loopholes, ofcourse people won't like it.

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SerendipityJane · 04/06/2025 17:22

DuncinToffee · 04/06/2025 17:21

Government is closing loopholes, ofcourse people won't like it.

When you are used to privilege, equality feels like oppression ....

PandoraSocks · 04/06/2025 17:25

derxa · 04/06/2025 17:13

Well if the report is accurate then it’s not exactly going to plug the famous black hole is it.

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I don't think it has ever been argued that the IHT change alone was going to plug the black hole?

I found the argument that the introduction of the original tax break contributed to higher land prices interesting.

itsgettingweird · 04/06/2025 17:51

SerendipityJane · 04/06/2025 10:09

I wouldn't be so gloat-y. This is all part of the Grand Plan.

The leaders of Reform want failures. Ideally lots of them. They realise how lucky they are to be gifted suck a dim electorate, and even dimmer representatives.

The plan is surely to deliberately engage in confrontational attempts to ram through their shop window policies in order to demonstrate how "they" are oppressing THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

I predict that when their plans are thrown out legally, you will hear that whine about "unelected judges frustrating democracy".

So yes, a lot of Reform initiatives are likely to flounder. But that's the plan. And the fact you don't need to be a rocket scientist to spot that a mile off speaks volumes about the intellectual calibre of their representatives.

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The bit about the judges follows Trump's playbook.

So I agree and predict that’s exactly where Reform will go

LlynTegid · 04/06/2025 18:00

The inheritance tax on farming land was an example of a sensible thing just badly handled. The proportion in acreage of farms that are family farms handed down through the generations are so small that an exemption scheme could have been introduced, and for the 'agri-business' the same taxation as for any other property.

Piggywaspushed · 04/06/2025 18:32

OMG has anyone seen Farage being accused of mixing up Humza Yusaf and Anas Sarwar and then saying , 'Well, you might just as well'?!

LlttledrummergirI · 04/06/2025 19:25

2dogsandabudgie · 04/06/2025 16:14

So what's Starmer doing then to stop it if he knows more migrants cross in warmer weather. He can't just bleat there's nothing they can do and use the weather as an excuse. It's his job to sort it, that's one of the reasons people voted for him because he promised to take back control of our borders as well as saying that small boat crossings were a threat to our national security.

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And what are reform in Kent doing about it? They can't just bleat about it being out of their control, when that was the whole point of their campaign. Since they've been elected, numbers have gone up. They promised to fix this

MaybeNotBob · 04/06/2025 19:42

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Thread 24 Starmer -Casting the net wider
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DuncinToffee · 04/06/2025 19:45

Piggywaspushed · 04/06/2025 18:32

OMG has anyone seen Farage being accused of mixing up Humza Yusaf and Anas Sarwar and then saying , 'Well, you might just as well'?!

Yes
Here he is

https://bsky.app/profile/adambienkov.bsky.social/post/3lqmmujrfwc2v

And in a comment underneath

The speech Nigel Farage claimed was made by Scottish Labour leader Anas Sarwar was, in fact, made by former Scottish first minister Humza Yousaf when health minister.

The speech has been widely misrepresented and mischaracterised by racists, xenophobes and Islamophobes over the past two years.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check/scotland-health-ministers-speech-about-racial-injustice-and-lack-of-diversity-i-idUSL1N3531Q5/

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bombastix · 04/06/2025 19:57

Whoops

bombastix · 04/06/2025 20:23

Keir is condescending to Kemi, no doubt. The issue is that she is not very good. In fact she is just dire.

The point of order was further embarrassment. Badenoch needs to get a better team around her because she is wasting a golden opportunity each week. She does not need her MPs backing her up with points of order, she should be skewering her opponent.

I wonder why her team aren’t supporting her better.

itsgettingweird · 04/06/2025 21:06

cardibach · 04/06/2025 11:27

People feel what the press tells them they feel to a certain extent and the media has been relentlessly negative. To address your points though:
WFA has become means tested. I agree the threshold is low, and in light of the trade deals they are looking at that again. It was never ‘stopped’.
Inheritance tax on farms affects relatively few farmers, never mind anyone else. I know there are mixed views on it, but it’s really not making the general population feel worse off.
Increase in NI - doesn’t affect you unless you run a. Business. Looks l8ke it hasn’t resulted in mass business closures and layoffs so not a major issue for most. Maybe if the Tories hadn’t cut personal NI with no budget to replace the income we wouldn’t be where we are. It’s better than increasing that again in terms of how well off people feel.
Boat crossings aren’t really ‘even higher’. There’s been a bad week. But immigration is down in general.
What ‘freebies scandal’? Some Labour politicians perfectly legally accepted and declared gifts. Ypu may not like it. It’s not a scandal. And it was at a much lower level than the Tories. Wonder what freebies Reform are taking (and if they are declaring them)?
Nobody gave in to the EU over fishing rights. They extended the existing deal and made some positive changes elsewhere to allow British fishermen to sell their catch in the EU more easily.

So if all that is what’s influencing you/other people, there’s a certain amount of gullibility or only seeing what you want to involved.

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Excellent post.

Very well summed up and something I needed to read and be reminded of this evening

(the standard bad news city here and I needed something to make me feel positive about the world)

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