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Thread 24 Starmer -Casting the net wider

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DuncinToffee · 20/05/2025 15:15

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BIossomtoes · 04/06/2025 09:24

Tice has also said they’re going to stop new entrants to the local government pension scheme in the councils they run and limit salary increases. He lives in fantasy land where there are no laws to prevent his excesses. The next few months are going to teach Reform some very hard lessons.

Alexandra2001 · 04/06/2025 09:25

Well, i would imagine they would go but the French would then meet them with gun boats etc, there would be frantic efforts to stop two NATO allies firing at each other, France would blockade all ports and close the tunnel....

All that assumes the migrants themselves once here in the UK, didn't run etc... we would also have to get them into more suitable boats to go back across to France.

These ideas all sound great until anyone who isn't insane looks at them in any detail.

pointythings · 04/06/2025 09:34

BIossomtoes · 04/06/2025 09:24

Tice has also said they’re going to stop new entrants to the local government pension scheme in the councils they run and limit salary increases. He lives in fantasy land where there are no laws to prevent his excesses. The next few months are going to teach Reform some very hard lessons.

I don't think you can employ anyone now without offering a pension. Honestly, the people who voted to have Reform council are going to get some karma. Let's hope they use the next 4 years to show themselves up for the incompetent grifters they all are.

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PandoraSocks · 04/06/2025 09:38

Presumably Reform MPs haven't joined the MPs' pension scheme?

BIossomtoes · 04/06/2025 09:38

I don’t think there’s any doubt about that, it’s going to be an absolute shitshow in the councils they “run”. Either they’re going to have to ditch their insane ideology and get real or they’re going to be making regular court appearances to be put back in their boxes. It’s such a shame that residents in those areas who would never have voted for them in a million years will pay the price.

Alexandra2001 · 04/06/2025 09:40

BIossomtoes · 04/06/2025 09:24

Tice has also said they’re going to stop new entrants to the local government pension scheme in the councils they run and limit salary increases. He lives in fantasy land where there are no laws to prevent his excesses. The next few months are going to teach Reform some very hard lessons.

ummmmmmm average LGPS pension is 4k for men, 2.6k for women per year for retirees.....

Its a large scheme but most LG employees are relatively low paid & when they have things taken away, they have a strong union behind them....

Anyway, the LGPS is viable, its assets met its liabilities... its just Tice/Reform playing to the gallery or rather to to people who just accept things without any checks....

Reeves plan is to get pensions to invest a small proportion into UK business, as they used too, sensible and will help revive the economy over time.

Proper government, not Reform's plans, written whilst on 'coke.

bombastix · 04/06/2025 09:42

I don’t think anyone with a brain wants to get the armed forces into a position where they are told to break international law. The kind of precedent it would set would be frightening.

I know the issue about boats is perceived to be difficult, but starting to give legal waivers to the State about how it treats certain classes of people sufficient to protect from prosecution or otherwise is not good. You would have to extend this to most of the Civil Service too.

Be careful what you wish for. The law is difficult, but I would prefer fast track asylum return to safe country arrangements, curtailing of Article 8 application (which is lawful) at appeal than watch the armed services debase themselves with these sub colonial fantasies of some od Reform.

I think Labour would do themselves a huge favour if they considered who takes responsibility for asylum housing, because local councils in Kent cannot cope.

And let’s be honest, unless you have been to the Kent coast and seen some of the impact, it’s easy to say oh it’s temporary or okay. I go often and there is a growing nationalist feeling. There is a lot of deprivation. Reform aren’t doing well because people in Kent are doing well, put it that way.

BIossomtoes · 04/06/2025 09:44

Reform aren’t doing well because people in Kent are doing well, put it that way.

A Reform council is hardly going to make things any better.

PickAChew · 04/06/2025 09:46

BIossomtoes · 04/06/2025 09:24

Tice has also said they’re going to stop new entrants to the local government pension scheme in the councils they run and limit salary increases. He lives in fantasy land where there are no laws to prevent his excesses. The next few months are going to teach Reform some very hard lessons.

Durham CC has a Pensions committee meeting in the next month or so. One to watch.

PandoraSocks · 04/06/2025 09:47

Reform aren’t doing well because people in Kent are doing well, put it that way

Employees of Kent County Council are about to do even worse if Tice has his way.

BIossomtoes · 04/06/2025 09:53

PickAChew · 04/06/2025 09:46

Durham CC has a Pensions committee meeting in the next month or so. One to watch.

Aren’t they cancelling meetings willy nilly in Durham? Who wants to put money on that one not happening?

SerendipityJane · 04/06/2025 10:03

countrygirl99 · 04/06/2025 08:44

I wonder what the people who complained the EU were bullying during the Brexit negotiations think of Trump.

Wasn't their whole shtick some bollocks about not being rule takers ?

SerendipityJane · 04/06/2025 10:09

BIossomtoes · 04/06/2025 09:38

I don’t think there’s any doubt about that, it’s going to be an absolute shitshow in the councils they “run”. Either they’re going to have to ditch their insane ideology and get real or they’re going to be making regular court appearances to be put back in their boxes. It’s such a shame that residents in those areas who would never have voted for them in a million years will pay the price.

I wouldn't be so gloat-y. This is all part of the Grand Plan.

The leaders of Reform want failures. Ideally lots of them. They realise how lucky they are to be gifted suck a dim electorate, and even dimmer representatives.

The plan is surely to deliberately engage in confrontational attempts to ram through their shop window policies in order to demonstrate how "they" are oppressing THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

I predict that when their plans are thrown out legally, you will hear that whine about "unelected judges frustrating democracy".

So yes, a lot of Reform initiatives are likely to flounder. But that's the plan. And the fact you don't need to be a rocket scientist to spot that a mile off speaks volumes about the intellectual calibre of their representatives.

countrygirl99 · 04/06/2025 10:10

SerendipityJane · 04/06/2025 10:03

Wasn't their whole shtick some bollocks about not being rule takers ?

Yep. Like you have a choice if you want to export to.a country not to comply with their rules. Trump is the biggest bully because you can't satisfy his demands without him changing them.

PickAChew · 04/06/2025 10:13

BIossomtoes · 04/06/2025 09:53

Aren’t they cancelling meetings willy nilly in Durham? Who wants to put money on that one not happening?

There's one on the list down as cancelled but it's licensing rather than a thing reform consider "controversial".
https://democracy.durham.gov.uk/mgCalendarMonthView.aspx?bcr=1

Monthly meetings calendar - June 2025 - Durham County Council

https://democracy.durham.gov.uk/mgCalendarMonthView.aspx?bcr=1

SerendipityJane · 04/06/2025 10:22

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Thread 24 Starmer -Casting the net wider
2dogsandabudgie · 04/06/2025 10:28

Alexandra2001 · 04/06/2025 08:59

The French have on patrol, in the Calais area alone, over 800 officers, up from 200 prior to any UK/French agreement.

You don't remember/can't be arsed... yet you support them...weird.

But i'll tell you .. they want to return migrants to France, Tice went as far as to say Royal Marines would be used to do this... June 2024.

One can only imagine what France/EU would do about this... any guesses???

Where have I said I support Reform or that I have ever voted for them. I've never voted Reform or Labour.

bombastix · 04/06/2025 10:30

SerendipityJane · 04/06/2025 10:22

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Drivel

DuncinToffee · 04/06/2025 10:52

Arron Banks is part of the doge team........... doing it for 'free'

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BIossomtoes · 04/06/2025 10:55

Thank you for calling me “gloaty” @SerendipityJane. I thought we operated on the basis of mutual respect on these threads. I wasn’t gloating.

If that’s Reform’s tactic it’s a poor one. How is it going to stand up alongside a backdrop of failing services and falling standards in those councils?

pointythings · 04/06/2025 11:00

2dogsandabudgie · 04/06/2025 10:28

Where have I said I support Reform or that I have ever voted for them. I've never voted Reform or Labour.

Maybe if you didn't spout nonsense about the number of French police patrolling the coast, people might not draw that concl.

2dogsandabudgie · 04/06/2025 11:08

BIossomtoes · 04/06/2025 09:44

Reform aren’t doing well because people in Kent are doing well, put it that way.

A Reform council is hardly going to make things any better.

But neither are Labour. In a recent poll only 14% of people feel better off under Labour. We've had WFA stopped, inheritance tax on farms, increase in employer's NI contributions, prisoners being released early, boat crossings even higher, and the freebies scandal, giving in to the EU over fishing rights, I'm sure there's more.

People are fed up with the Tories and Labour so they think they might as well give Reform a chance. Really it should be the Lib Dems taking advantage of the situation but we rarely hear anything from them.

DuncinToffee · 04/06/2025 11:12

Suspected gang who 'helped hundreds of migrants enter UK illegally' arrested in raids across England

https://news.sky.com/story/suspected-gang-who-helped-hundreds-of-migrants-enter-uk-illegally-arrested-in-raids-across-england-13378776

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2dogsandabudgie · 04/06/2025 11:15

pointythings · 04/06/2025 11:00

Maybe if you didn't spout nonsense about the number of French police patrolling the coast, people might not draw that concl.

It was @Alexandra2001 who mentioned 4 French patrol officers against 100 migrants running for a boat, perhaps you should take it up with her.

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