Thread 24 Starmer -Casting the net wider

[DuncinToffee]

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Still cannot say what Reform would do differently... probably because you have no clue.

The numbers were higher in 2022, Labour have deported 30k people here illegally in just 11 months.

& on the "We pay the French" nonsense, we don't pay them enough to police their border to enable them to stop a 100 plus people running for a boat... what would 3 or 4 Police officers do?

You people got the UK out of the EU and as the shadow home sec Chris Philp said "Leaving the EU, has hindered our ability to return cross channel migrants" he was then backed up by the shadow chancellor on this....

Well it’s true that Reform don’t have a real policy, but I think that’s not the game at hand; it’s making them less toxic for a lot of people who currently wouldn’t contemplate voting for them.

I know they are doing well in the polls, but nobody has a clue as to whether this means real success.

If Reform want to win then they have to convert quite a lot of people that currently would rather eat their own curtains than vote Farage. But given Starmer’s unpopularity and that Kemi Badenoch is currently taking the Conservative Party deep sea diving, those people are there to be spoken to.

What those people would need is a good economic policy. Reform don’t have that. But then Labour isn’t doing well in articulating why theirs is any good.

Farms and supermarkets could pay to bring foreign farm workers to UK, government-commissioned report says

Exclusive: It would cost employers £850-1,500 to bring each worker to the UK, study into seasonal worker visa finds

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/fruit-pickers-farm-workers-seasonal-visa-b2757899.html?

While the study said farmers were reliant on the seasonal worker scheme because they believed “UK workers often lack the skills and motivation” needed to pick fruits and vegetables, they largely opposed overseas workers having their recruitment costs covered.

Many worried it would threaten "worker commitment", since the current system provides “strong incentives to work hard” to clear debts.

How lovely

The Dutch Reform party (Wilder's PVV) has quit government, as many expected would happen. All because his asylum plans were ridiculous and his party is not very popular anymore.

What happens now, Duncin? Will the rest of the coalition try to govern or will there have to be an election?

It will be another election. Wilders' plans for asylum would never have worked because they were illegal under several points of international law, so now he's had a tantrum because his coalition partners won't implement them. Why are the far right always so pathetic?

This doesn't make me more sympathetic towards farmers, that's for sure.

I don't know yet, meeting is called for later today, the opposition is calling for a new election.

Just look at this graph

(PVV wanted to close all borders to asylum seekers, deport all Syrians, close all asylum centres and suspend EU laws to do so)

My SIL used to cover as emergency housing officer in one of the Fen councils every other weekend. She had to deal with a finding temporary accomodation for victims of modern slavery a few times. All of them on farms.

Those pesky French

Scoop in today's FT: Starmer and Macron will give the go-ahead to the UK's Sizewell C nuclear station at an Anglo-French summit next month. UK ministers have been drumming up billions of private sector investment for the EDF-designed plant.

https://on.ft.com/3SvDyQb

Doesn't the left hand side of that leaflet say if you vote Reform in the local elections it's the first step for change.

I agree the leaflet can appear misleading but it was clear to me when it came through my door that it's the first step for people who want a Reform Government.

As well as being poorly paid fruit picking is back-breakingly hard work, accomodation is awful - rickety leaky old caravans and lots of drug use

Really un-attractive exploitative work

I am sure all those Reform voters and their families will be happy to step up and start picking

I’m sure I read that there are groups of professional fruit pickers who move across Europe - the work can be more skilled than it is made out to be which is why just setting groups of unemployed people to pick fruit doesn’t work.

It’s not intended to be clear e en if you found it so. It’s intended to stir up and mislead. Plus voting Reform in local elections isn’t a first step to government. The two things are unconnected.

Reform did say what they would do in their 2024 manifesto regarding immigration but I can't remember all of it and can't be arsed to look it up. Whether they would be able to do what they say they would, well we won't find out unless they get into power.

But then Labour haven't done what they promised, it's just getting worse and we're paying even more money.

We all know that more boats cross when the sea is calm so why only put 4 officers along the coastline. The French don't give a shit really, they must be laughing at us.

Labour have done quite a lot of what they promised and net immigration is down. Maybe you are too fixated on boats. Control of the borders and immigration means much more than that.

Also @2dogsandabudgie why the paranoia? Why think other countries are laughing at us? The French stop a lot of boats. They provide the staff there’s money for. It was all better before Brexit of course.
I couldn’t live with the kind of fear about being laughed at by random forwigners that you seem to have. It’s sad.

Well aren't we all mislead by all parties. They all promise things in their manifesto and then once they're in power it's a different story.

No. Have you checked https://pledgeprogress.co.uk lately?

Oh come on now with your fake paranoia and I think it's sad post. 😂😂😂

I’m not sure that’s up to date - binning Rwanda is still showing blue.

But then Labour haven't done what they promised, it's just getting worse and we're paying even more money

Even more money compared to when? And to whom?

Is your paranoia fake then? My thoughts that it’s sad to feel like that about people you don’t know are perfectly genuine. If you really think they are laughing at us it’s a tad paranoid. If you don’t, don’t say so.

Meanwhile Clarksons Farm IV is educating the masses.

He may be a nuclear powered bellend. But having just seen E5 where he's sincerely trying to build a collective of local farmers to supply his customers, you can see how the government really needs to get out of the way.