Thread 24 Starmer -Casting the net wider

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So you know better than actual UK experts involved with international trade deals. They obviously need to get Derxa involved next time.

I’m delighted to see Steve Baker is whinging about how hard a time he’s having. Disruptor in chief throughout the Brexit process who was the main advocate for the hardest deal possible and now wanting better redundancy terms than everyone else in the country because he’s special. Fuck off, Steve and when you get there ..

So you think that as he used his relationship with other EU leaders to get a much improved deal for the UK means he's been played?

Bizarre logic...

And there's certainly nothing wrong with him being a Remainer - we've been proved to be right so many times...

I'm not sure that "clever" is a suitable adjective for Jenkyns. After all, I don't think many would describe Lee Anderthal that way.

They are just willing to take the Fartage dollar, and lack any noticeable scruples.

I can only say that my father is Glaswegian and his observation was that the Tory Party had lost the quality that made them election winners and that their election of Badenoch was the clearest sign of that.

On the other side of the tracks, the tweedy country Tories in the family are very disappointed in her. They won’t vote Farage.

He sold the fishermen down the river. According to people on here their lives don’t matter. As long as wee Jocasta can live and work more easily in an EU country. Being in the EU suited me very well. I had my Hungarian au pair, my Romanian cleaners and beneficial trading arrangements. I’m struggling to think how membership benefitted the lower paid.

Is this satire?

He sold the fishermen down the river.

No he didn’t. If anyone did that it was Johnson who negotiated their current deal.

Nope.

And that was appalling.

The point is that this EU deal was one already offered to the UK in around 2019. The Tory Party have destroyed themselves for nothing.

Reform and Jenkins surf on. I don’t mean she’s an intellect, but she does have more political nous than many of her former colleagues who actually seem surprised, really surprised that they aren’t welcomed in mainstream business. Remember the current Tory Party oppose this deal with the EU.

Perhaps they can become fishermen as they seem to have decided that’s where the UK’s economic interests lie

He's actually improved the situation for the fishermen by making it easier to sell to their main market.

But you carry on spouting your reactionary nonsense...

I'll ignore your goady Jocasta crap and the ironic stealth boast about your own wealth and ask whether you struggle to think how non membership benefits the lower paid?

I may have to wait a while.

Baker in a pre-election interview said he was looking forward to being a man ofleisure, doing "sky-diving, motorcycle racing and fast catamaran sailing".

I am sure he could fit in a few fishing trips.

I lived abroad for a long time and hadn’t quite caught up with all the past of these people.

I fell for the “charm” of Boris which counteracted my dislike of Corbyn 🤷‍♀️

But we all live and learn!

I think the lower paid are stuffed whatever happens. Hence the rise of Farage and Trump. There is no enthusiasm for Labour or the Tories in this country. At the last election my DH didn’t vote. I have never known this to happen in the forty years I’ve known him. I have hopes for Wes Streeting.

I think a lot of people fell for the Boris effect. He is engaging but was never to be trusted, and effectively destroyed his own party. The man is a hell of a campaigner but he can only lead by rushing to the front of crowd.

He played a lot of voters. Ruffled hair and stutters for the cameras and jolly japes. The man can speak perfect Italian and Greek, calls himself Alex and combs his hair quite well in private. Old Tories absolutely knew he was full of it

What is this country?

I voted for him because I couldn’t countenance having Jeremy Corbyn in power.

I mean the UK. I don’t know what will happen in Scotland.

And - if true - whose fault is that ?

Really. Some people would blame the captain of the Carpathia for not rescuing more survivors

I spoiled my paper for the same reason. Fortunately it’s Tory central here so it didn’t matter. Did your vote count where you live @derxa?

It was a Tory seat anyway. Turns out the elected Tory was an absolute walloper. She was kicked out at the last election and the seat is now Labour. The MP is young enough to be my grandson. 🤣

And this is why Brexit continues to be relevant to the political landscape.

It didnt just reduce our economy and waste a shit load of Parliamentary time that should have been spent on governing for the nation.

It was presented as an opportunity for everyone to benefit. Johnson packaged it with Levelling Up as if the two things were part and parcel of the same thing.

He didnt have a plan to Level Up and rejected any policy that would have limited the hit to the economy following Brexit. He did that not because it was sensible policy making but to fend off Farage. So we lost out.

And even now, after all that, the Conservatives won't admit that closer alignment will boost the economy - and the L/Ds will celebrate in (at) their wake.