Thread 24 Starmer -Casting the net wider

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In total 50 people were treated in hospital and 11 remain there, all in a stable condition and recovering well.

Having seen some videos, he is lucky to be alive. There are places on earth where he would have been dragged out and the police would have needed tweezers to find him.

Poor Liverpool 🙏

I lived in Ireland for 8 years and understand insurance based systems. It's very different from free at point of entry.

Have had private health insurance whilst working in London and used it. That was a lot of paperwork and phone calls, pre internet. Was a low grade cancer and my health insurance went up so much after I had to cancel it.

Good luck with that with their core voters. My sil is currently visiting from Germany where she’s lived for over 50 years. They’re both pensioners and pay €550 a month for healthcare, the entire price of drugs, ie around €10 for basic painkillers (which can’t be bought anywhere except a pharmacy)and €10 a day for food during a hospital stay. They’re both still British citizens despite half a century of paying German taxes and are beyond envious of the NHS.

Any alternative funding system does not conjure up more young people wanting to go into healthcare... unless we all pay more for free tuition/parking and higher salaries, let alone more equipment, scanners and hospitals...

Then there is all that additional bureaucracy to be paid for.... millions of claims to be picked over.... co payments and treatment excesses to be accounted for... Directors of Health insurance companies to be paid ... and of course the "performance bonuses" they'll need to attract the "best people" to run these Not for profit organisations......

The truth is that the UK chose lower taxes and hence less public spending, which is why all our public services are so poor.

An insurance based health system just means higher taxes, dressed up as insurance premiums.

Why not just increase taxes and ring fence into the NHS ? bring our health spend per capita up that in France Germany....

I do think at some point the NHS will need to be privatised.

There is no law of nature that says you have to make a profit out of everything.

The truth is that the UK chose lower taxes and hence less public spending, which is why all our public services are so poor.

The concept of "investment" in the UK is so weak, it really should be classified as homeopathic.

So how do you get the message out to the public that it will be easier to sack you and the NHS will not be free at the point of use?

Oh - and your worker's rights are up for grabs.

That is the message that needs to got out. Scrutinise Farage and expose his views.

But it's how this message gets out in a world in a world of filter bubbles.

Requires the media to push for details rather than soundbites and then test those policy details against economic reality.

It serves Reform to leave their policies as blank and wafer thin as Brexit.

People are then free to imagine their favoured policies being introduced without economic reality intruding.

I wonder if the Tory supporting media would do that

Banner Headline in the Mail and Express

Reform to privatise NHS

Pensioners to pay for hip operations

Reform cancels your holiday

The Tories have a decision to make - and so does the "Tory " media

Can’t imagine majority of the media/journalists doing that, most appear as though they can’t wait for a Reform government still bewildered by how much airtime the BBC give them.

And that’s the rub, was just reading about conservatives still wanting to pull out of the ECHR if they don’t cop themselves on & stop the populist crap they will be come irrelevant.

Yes I agree. I don’t think they can wait for all the extra clicks a Reform government will provide. The infighting, controversial takes.. I’ve just finished nights and fell asleep this morning with the radio on, woke up to Nigel Farage discussing how he intends attracting the working class. He’s everywhere it seems.

Semi penalisation of healthcare is the one thing that terrifies me having a ds with a neurological condition and 2 parents who have had cancer.

it surely would have to be brought in slowly. You couldn’t just introduce paying X amount and expect everyone with a long term health condition to be able to insure against it.

and whilst they are looking at cutting PIP back I do t think you can do that and charge for healthcare as we know those who are most likely to need the NHS are those who are disabled.

Changing to a different health care system would be time consuming and expensive.

But Reform doesn't need policies or budget we are being told on a regular basis.

We cannot even bring HS rail without it becoming a financial and engineering disaster...
Haven alone knows how we would cope with a new healthcare model...

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a tax payer funded model, its uses in several European countries but they spend more.. that what we need to do if we wish to improve our healthcare systems... but don't hold your breath, we cannot even sort out Social Care...

.....135k vacancies, weeks/months to get a care package, total reliance on overseas carers.... 30% staff turn over...

It's that thorny comms issue, again

www.gov.uk/government/news/next-generation-of-builders-and-carers-set-to-rebuild-britain

A party with 5 MPs, three more than the SDLP in Parliament is set to be the next government after 2029? In what world does this happen? It's going to overturn a massive majority on policies that are based on fresh air.

Unbelievable.

Oh dear.

Britain’s defeated Tory MPs struggle to adjust to civilian life.
www.politico.eu/article/britain-uk-defeated-tory-mps-struggle-adjust-civilian-life/

Have you actually read the article. It sounds incredibly difficult.

Yes I have and I've looked at their voting records.

https://news.sky.com/story/thames-water-hit-with-largest-ever-fine-issued-by-regulator-ofwat-13375757

I’ve read it.
I think the suggestion of a years salary as redundancy would go down unfavourably with a number of constituents. Particularly for those MPs who may have voted against say, increasing the minimum wage.

No reason why the political party couldn’t offer an improved package however. It doesn’t have to come from taxpayers.

Minister for Brexit on your CV is probably not very helpful

I have sympathy whatever the political side people are on. We have to try and attract the best people into politics. Not scare them away.