Labour isn't working - Thread 3

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A thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

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Johnson was actually quite spendy for his party. People reacted to words over policy but mostly to partygate.

What a take out that was by a vengeful strategist. One who also likely delivered the small difference for Brexit. Two majors things that have happened.

Shame he was appalling at everything else. And scary so many were duped by his “theatre.

I find partygate more troubling, that people fell for that theatre from a strategist.

Anyway old news now. We have Starmer and co and whether he’ll last past another GE.

I wasn't duped by his theatre, but I enjoyed his pmqs.

As Eastern says, he paid the price and hasn't been PM for years now. We now have a new set of incompetents to endure.

What I can't understand is why a senior member of government is wandering around without security?
Surely if it was an official journey they should have provided a government car and a security detail

I don’t think this was an official journey. He had been on the King & Queen’s state visit in an official capacity and was going on holiday when this conflict with the taxi driver occurred.

Partygate was a disgrace. The collective behaviour was disgusting when people were not able to say goodbye to dying relatives and these fuckwits thought themselves above the rules. That should never be minimised and the public has a right to know. Maybe old news but no less shocking for it.

We’ve got four years to speculate about the outcome of the next GE. A lot can happen between now and then so speculating now is a tad academic.

What do you think might turn the fortunes of Labour's popularity? Is it the upcoming kicking to departmental spending on June 11, the Autumn budget where Reeves will need to account for £60 billion gap in her budget, the reform of disability payments pushing our vulnerable into more poverty, will it be the harm done to sen children who are increasingly under-provided for - as set out for in the education bill, or when the employment bill kicks in and makes hiring even more expensive and the knock in effect on unemployment, or the highest number of small boat migrants crossings revealing the lie if smash the gangs, we already know that GB energy won't be saving anyone £300 now, so maybe it'll be the 1.5 million new homes built by the end of the term - an ambitious target at the best of times but it doesn't seem to be off the ground yet?

Maybe Labour supporters can cross their fingers and hope to get their teeth stick into a good war that will galvanise the population to forget all the above though?

Maybe in a two or three years? If they can begin to offer sweetners after doing the bad stuff? Will have to be very large sweetners, though. Or maybe if things like NHS waiting times have hugely improved.

I think they may capitulate on the proposed changes to disability benefits and soften them some what. One hopes.

I don't want a Reform government so very much hope Labour turns things around.

The last part makes Starmer more dangerous than most. The idea a war will help him out.

I wouldn't want to be sent to war under the orders of u-turning Starmer. Who knows how his opinions and politics will change while you are risking your life?

I wouldn’t want to as I know as a politician how much he’s guided by his own polling and career.

No chance. That couple of weeks where he had a bit of a bounce better not look viable as a way out of his misery.

How is that going to help, reverse fretting the disability and benefit changes? The damage is done, the label is stuck but the savings won't materialise.
None of their money spinning ideas worked, just look at the private school idiocy.

So no savings, increased expenditure, no choice but to increase taxes on middle class earners while the welfare budget keeps rising.

Add to that the immigration headlines and I cannot any other possibility but a Reform win, whether we want it or not.

Starmer should have stuck with the first dose of the bitter medicine, it's like antibiotics, if you don't finish the course you risk not getting the treatment effect.

Whoops. I've landed on the wrong thread here.
I was going to empathise and say that happened to me too with DC3. Ended in emergency c/section. 🙀

The only hope there is for Labour is if Reform takes the Senedd in such numbers next year that there can be no shirking of accountability and they then make a colossal hash up of it in the remaining years. If Wales becomes the cautionary tale then Reform won't be able to peddle big dreams that are untainted by the realities of governance.

Aren't referral waiting lists going up again, with the expectation that they will continue to rise, I'm sure I read that the other day? Hold on: https://news.sky.com/story/nhs-waiting-list-increases-for-first-time-in-seven-months-13368251

I really like Streeting 🤷🏼‍♀️ I really liked the idea that we could integrate ai technologies and make the NHS work more efficiently and that we'd see better health outcomes. He had talked passionately about getting the NHS up and running and that would be a route to improving the country's productivity.

I wonder if anyone in the party
told him that the real plan was to hobble business, hobble disability benefits and tell disabled people that going to work was what they really needed the most, all while unemployment figures were set to rise?

Add to that the immigration headlines and I cannot any other possibility but a Reform win, whether we want it or not

Depends if Farage can hold it all together for the next four years and how the councils it controls fare. I don't think Reform will win in Wales.

If not Farage, then someone else.

If there is a weakness someone will use it.

Then I think they'll do rather well at the next g.e.

The general public won't scrutinise the affairs of council successes. If they did then the failing Labour councils tripping in to bankruptcy would have hurt them more in the last general election.

If they go with reversing bad policy they’d have to undo the VAT, NI and farmer stuff, probably more

At that point they’re pretty much redundant.

Plus agree with Upstartled on local councils not being a factor look at Labour on that. The local election results do panic Labour though and get them to react.

Labour had a knee jerk reaction after the local ejections.

Knee jerk reaction rarely bring anything good.

Starmer and his 'knee jerk' is about to do a deal with the EU. What could possibly go wrong.

I don't understand how anyone who claims to be a liberal, or on the left of politics, can continue to support a government that deliberately targets the vulnerable.

Blimey, when you write it all in one post like that! What a disgrace they are. I don't want them to turn it around, I want them gone!

It's not a shade of the left that I recognise. Or one the one which is familiar from my guardian reading days -when it was still a broadsheet and it could be deployed to occupy two train seats. Back before the left gave up on class in a wholesale fashion and gave it a glow up with identity politics.

Agree.
They weigh the labour vote where I'm from, but this is not the Labour Party anyone recognises. It will be a straight Labour vs Reform fight here. I wish the tories would get their shit together and give voters a viable alternative.

FFS!
Then I read that Kemi Badenoch has addressed Welsh MSs (members of senedd) as MSPs (members of Scottish Parliament), during her speech to Welsh conservatives.

We're in a Tory held constituency in a sea of Labour and our MP has become increasingly Reform-like over the last 10 months. Who knows if this is how he ever was and perhaps the leash is untethered in opposition?

But this is a man who, two years ago, was telling me we should remember to be kind on the gender debate and remember all sides in matters of controversy. And now he has re-emerged as a shit-stirrer extraordinaire.