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Thread 23 Starmer - Reflux Remedy

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DuncinToffee · 06/05/2025 20:44

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cardibach · 13/05/2025 10:48

SmegmaCausesBV · 13/05/2025 10:16

Completely baffled that anyone can think putting care homes and nursing under threat is what our country needs right now even though they won't do the review for years. Exactly what I was worried about post Brexit - jobs women rely on - going, more strain on NHS to be mental health and elderly support because our social sector has almost completely dissolved. Not what you expect from Labour.
Is anyone else hoping for a vote of no confidence in Starmer? I honestly can't think of anyone who voted for anything they have implemented so far. I was considering lending my vote but am glad I didn't contribute to their punching down policies.

It’s all in the manifesto - reduce immigration etc. granted we may not have thought he’d do things the way they’ve been done, but yes, people voted for it.

DuncinToffee · 13/05/2025 10:56

Interesting thread

https://bsky.app/profile/pmdfoster.bsky.social/post/3loxzjvq7i22s

Labour's immigration announcement today is a reflection of the paucity of honest debate by BOTH political parties over the last decade on this issue. Labour has never made a counter-argument, or been honest about economic cost of immigration curbs, so it's stuck making Tory/Reform arguments 1/n

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bombastix · 13/05/2025 11:14

Yes agree! The discussion has been profoundly dishonest.

In this, I am reminded of the issue regarding biological reality and the SC judgment. The UK seems to have abandoned its pragmatic nature and retreated to a public narrative which is almost fantastic. This has occurred on the right and left. And really, it’s made us a stupider society that puts off the very difficult things that affect quality of life.

In elite circles you will probably not notice this for a longer time. But voters do. Yesterday was an admission that this narrative on quite a lot of migration is wrong and doesn’t deal with actual facts.

Reform have their own fantastic narrative but it’s not going to be really tested for a long time.

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PickAChew · 13/05/2025 11:15

PandoraSocks · 13/05/2025 09:45

True. There is an immense amount of hate on SM generally directed at Starmer. I am totally disillusioned with him, but the vile things said are alarming and uncalled for. People seem to have forgotten Jo Cox and David Amess.

And it's stuff like this that will be part of the reason so many candidates decline to share their home address, now. There is a guy has just been jailed for making serious threats to an MP in our region.

'Dangerous' constituent wanted to 'firebomb' Labour MP in vile death threats

www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/dangerous-constituent-wanted-firebomb-labour-31624323#ICID=Android_ChronicleNewsApp_AppShare

SmegmaCausesBV · 13/05/2025 11:33

@DuncinToffee I voted for Lib Dems, largely due to their social policy. I don't think any of my friends on PIP voted for Labour to make their life harder to get help, especially after all of Stamer's grandstanding.
Can anyone explain why he isn't taxing the billionaires and multinational companies? I really thought this was their main money maker.

DuncinToffee · 13/05/2025 11:37

Good question, same when it comes to Brexit. I don't think I have seen an answer to it.

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DuncinToffee · 13/05/2025 11:43

And thanks for answering the question Smile

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SmegmaCausesBV · 13/05/2025 11:45

Were you asking me? I don't know why Labour have always shied away from discussing Brexit or the aftermath and poverty it has caused. Are we compiling questions for the PM?

DuncinToffee · 13/05/2025 11:53

No sorry, I meant who you voted for.

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SmegmaCausesBV · 13/05/2025 11:55

The only party who want to reverse Brexit and have a social care plan that includes women being paid what they should expect for care roles?

Edit to add: that aren't in power?

bombastix · 13/05/2025 11:58

SmegmaCausesBV · 13/05/2025 11:55

The only party who want to reverse Brexit and have a social care plan that includes women being paid what they should expect for care roles?

Edit to add: that aren't in power?

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Who is that?

SmegmaCausesBV · 13/05/2025 12:12

bombastix · 13/05/2025 11:58

Who is that?

Clearly not Labour.
If you think their turfing out of care workers is going to be a great thing for the economy, NHS and social care please feel free to explain how.

placemats · 13/05/2025 12:12

SmegmaCausesBV · 13/05/2025 11:45

Were you asking me? I don't know why Labour have always shied away from discussing Brexit or the aftermath and poverty it has caused. Are we compiling questions for the PM?

As an active Labour party member, I asked about why we didn't discuss Brexit as it often came up when door knocking. I was told by an 18 year old that it really wasn't an issue for voters and then he basically shut down the discussion. I'm not giving up or giving in.

DuncinToffee · 13/05/2025 12:12

The issue with the Lib Dems social care plan is funding.

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SmegmaCausesBV · 13/05/2025 12:12

DuncinToffee · 13/05/2025 12:12

The issue with the Lib Dems social care plan is funding.

And you think Labour isn't making that worse?

DuncinToffee · 13/05/2025 12:14

Labour is experiencing the same funding issue

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SmegmaCausesBV · 13/05/2025 12:14

Because I suspect some will start on that they never saw any Lib policies on care - from the 2024 manifesto:

Care
In addition, we will:
Provide truly personalised care that empowers individuals by:
Trialling personal health and social care budgets so that individuals are in control of what care they receive.
Rolling out digital platforms for care users to develop networks, relationships and opportunities, connecting with care workers, friends and family, voluntary groups and more.
Improving communication standards so carers can support care users to co-produce and monitor care plans.
Developing a digital strategy for tech-enabled lives.
Establishing an Independent Living Taskforce to help people live independently in their own homes, as set out in chapter 10.

End the postcode lottery of service provision and provide national, high-quality care for everyone who needs it by:
Providing predictable, consistent funding for free personal care.
Increasing transparency and accountability as to how money is spent through local authorities.
Creating a National Care Agency to set national minimum standards of care.
Enabling individuals to transfer their care package so they don’t feel stuck in their current locality due to their care needs.

Give unpaid carers a fair deal by:
Increasing Carer’s Allowance and expanding eligibility for it, as set out in chapter 10.
Introducing a statutory guarantee of regular respite breaks for unpaid carers.
Introducing paid carer’s leave, building on the entitlement to unpaid leave secured by the Liberal Democrats.
Making caring a protected characteristic under the Equality Act 2010 and requiring employers to make reasonable adjustments to enable employees with caring responsibilities to provide that care.
Introducing a Young Carers Pupil Premium as part of an ‘Education Guarantee’ for young carers.

Make careers in social care more attractive and value experienced staff to improve retention by:
Creating a new Carer’s Minimum Wage, boosting the minimum wage for care workers by £2 an hour, as a starting point for improved pay across the sector.
Creating clear career pathways, linked to recommended pay scales, which put an end to the undervaluing of skills in the sector.
Creating a career ladder to allow flexibility to work across the NHS and social care, allowing staff to gain experience in both.
Creating a Royal College of Care Workers to represent this skilled workforce.
Expanding the NHS Digital Staff Passport to include the care sector.

Recruit more staff to the sector with a social care workforce plan, akin to the NHS England workforce plan, that includes ethical international recruitment.

Support people to age well by:
Establishing a Commissioner for Older People and Ageing.
Rolling out active ageing programmes and trips and falls assessments for everyone over the age of 75 to prevent falls, avoid unnecessary hospital admissions and promote healthy ageing.
Opening fracture liaison services so that osteoporosis patients can get the treatment they need and prevent long-term issues and costs.

Support children in kinship care and their family carers by:
Introducing a statutory definition of kinship care.
Building on the existing pilot to develop a weekly allowance for all kinship carers.

Make care experience a protected characteristic under the Equality Act 2010 to strengthen the rights of people who are in or have been in care.

Refresh the national strategy for loneliness collaboratively with service providers and people who have lived experience of loneliness, to be overseen by a dedicated Minister for Tackling Loneliness.

bombastix · 13/05/2025 12:16

SmegmaCausesBV · 13/05/2025 12:12

Clearly not Labour.
If you think their turfing out of care workers is going to be a great thing for the economy, NHS and social care please feel free to explain how.

Please don’t be so rude and dull

DuncinToffee · 13/05/2025 12:17

I think most of us have read all the party manifestos before the GE

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Notonthestairs · 13/05/2025 12:18

I am very aware of the LD plan. I agree with it.
But we will need to increase taxes - either council tax or central funding. Councils don’t have the cash - budgets have been cut since 2010, that’s why they were given powers to increase council tax (although they couldn’t fully recoup)

placemats · 13/05/2025 12:18

Putting a care tax on the wealthy may help to address the issue of funding.

Notonthestairs · 13/05/2025 12:21

we do need to look at profits made in some sectors.
https://www.local.gov.uk/about/news/biggest-independent-childrens-care-providers-made-over-ps300-million-profit-last-year

DuncinToffee · 13/05/2025 12:21

placemats · 13/05/2025 12:18

Putting a care tax on the wealthy may help to address the issue of funding.

I agree but can you imagine the fume 😬

We can't have millionaires leaving the UK Confused

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placemats · 13/05/2025 12:23

I'm keeping a close eye on Staffordshire. It has a high density of care homes. It'll be interesting to see how Reform tackle this. Obviously they'll blame the Government for lack of funding but this approach flies in the face of the low tax approach it publicly expounds.

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