Funeral of Pope Francis

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Watching it now. I'm not religious - but it is a fascinating watch and a beautiful setting.

Thanks 🙏

In all the recent photos of Trump I have seen wearing a suit, he is in the blue suit which he wore today.

Guessing it’s the only suit that fits him now. He has put on weight. The problem is he lies about his weight and height. He claims he’s 215 (15st 5) and 6ft 3. There are comparisons on SM where Chris Hemsworth is also 215lb and 6ft 3. So much difference. www.justjared.com/2023/08/25/donald-trump-claims-hes-the-same-height-weight-as-chris-hemsworth-during-thor-filming/

Sources claim that he’s 5ft 10 and 285lb (20st 5lb). Standing next to politicians and high positions (royal families) who are 6ft+, they are taller than Trump.

He is scared that someone will leak his actual statistics.

This is a joke, surely...

Many differences. Apologies if i dont explain properly -

Catholics believe that the Holy Spirit comes down and transforms bread and wine on altar to the body and blood of Jesus during the mass. They literally believe it's His body. The Eucharist (consecrated bread) is what CC revolve around.

CC also believe in saints, purgatory, have more sacraments, papal authority. Their system is unified and more or less the same in every country. There is an admin hierarchy- Priests kind of answer to Bishops, Bishops to Archbishops, Archbishops to Cardinals, and cardinals to the Pope. It's ingenious if you like that sort of thing.

Catholicism means 'universal'.

They also have many religious orders which emphasize different values but still follow the 'rules' of Catholicism - mass, sacraments, priests, approved by vatican etc

Yep, we were told about the resurrection at school. This means that he must still be walking around somewhere. Surely he would want to attend the funeral of his appointed emissary on earth, whatever his opinions on pomp and massive buildings in which such services are held.

Oh please don’t just come and mock on a thread on the day of a funeral.🙄 Its so insensitive.

Haven’t schools gone back from Easter break? ( And I bet you didn’t mind the holiday associated with the biblical event you are mocking).

Did your school skip the Ascension?

If this is supposed to be a joke it isn't funny.🙄

Maybe you could use your literacy talents writing for Viz magazine?🙂

His Spirit is everywhere. Watching and caring. Even for non believers who mock.

Thank you. I knew that Roman Catholics used not to touch the wafer like we did in the C of E. (What a generalization!). I've been along to an RC Mass a few times but not many. Am I right to think Roman Catholics did not take the wine, well, those in the congregation, and do they now?

Not generally, no.

I was going to post that but you beat me to it!

"I often think of people like the Pope being too far up the tree to be in touch with the people at the bottom."

He, Francis, had read, "He hath put down the mighty from their seat and hath exalted the humble and meek." He had read about welcoming the stranger and visiting the prisoner.

The priest takes the wine at a Catholic mass. This surprised me when I saw it at a family wedding. DP was brought up a Catholic.

I never touched the wafer when I was young. It always went directly onto my tongue. I stopped going to church when I was a teenager. Now on the occasion I go back I panic a bit with the hands (even though I haven't been to confession for about 20 years so shouldn't really be taking communion). I also keep saying the old Apostolic Creed I learnt as a child instead of the new one. So much of Catholicism is ritual that it's very hard to change.

When i attended church i would take the communion in my hands, I really did not like it placed on my tongue

Are you a 15 year old?

I have to say that I can't quite get the hang of the new liturgy...some of it is of course more beautiful (and I get that it is closer to the Latin)...but even so, it just doesn't roll off my tongue in the same way. It doesn't have that inbuilt memory spanning (in my case) decades!

The old Anglican service used to have 'and with thy spirit'. Then we had umpteen updates and many versions say 'and also with you'. (We're all supposed to be so dim we can't understand the word 'thy' and it frightens new people and lots of them will flock to church if we have modern language. Do I sound a little sarcastic?)
I'm so old I just say 'and also with thy spirit'. Compromise.

My son went from Catholic school to a general sixth form, and said he's being grilled about Catholicism by quite a few of his friends, as its become a bit of a thing, and the really traditionalist ways too. One of his friends bought one of those Mantillas. I said they were old fashioned when I was a child! Our local Cathedral still does the Latin mass!

We (Catholics) are getting used to 'and with your spirit' but I was really thrown by a 'young trendy' priest (in his head - early seventies I think) who used 'Blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus' when saying the Hail Mary. Just no.

I'm smiling at seeing the Nicene Creed (mid 4th century) described as 'new'. Know what is meant though, it used not to be the one used at regular masses.

Catholics use a bigger Bible too - at the reformation the new Protestants ditched a few Old Testament books.

who used 'Blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus' when saying the Hail Mary. Just no.

Why not?

www.vaticannews.va/en/prayers/the-hail-mary.html

I'm trying to say the Nicene Creed in my head to try and remember what bits I get stuck on but I can't remember it. If I went to church I'd be able to say the whole thing. Interesting to read the differences between the two branches. I've never really known.

I wouldn't say ' your' instead of ' thy' either. That's a step too far 😀

More than six decades of saying 'thou' and 'thy'.

It ain't broke, I don't need a Fr Trendy to fix it.