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What have you used ChatGPT for lately?

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ErrPods · 18/04/2025 19:42

I’ve used it to-

Do a colour analysis based on a selfie. I’m a cool winter, apparently.

Calculated my BMI, TDEE, and create a diet plan to help me lose 8kgs.

Calculate the calories I burned on a walk based on the distance, speed, and the terrain (I don’t have a smart watch).

I constantly use it to look for discount codes if I’m shopping online. So far, it’s been 100% successful for everything from clothing to car rental sites abroad.

I’ve also been playing around a bit with the new photo generation capability but haven’t found it great. I asked it to create a headshot I could use for LinkedIn and it made me look like a much older woman of a different race.

Any recommendations for thing you get it to do?

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BertieBotts · 19/04/2025 00:12

I don't really understand all the handwringing about amounts of energy - one poster said creating an image uses as much as it does to charge a smartphone - that is a miniscule amount of energy compared to basically any electronic form of entertainment you might have in your house.

Charging a smartphone to full uses about 15 watts of energy.

Watching a 30 minute programme on TV uses about 75 watts for the TV plus whatever share of the energy used to create and broadcast the TV show.

Or listening to an album using a CD player, twice through, would use about the same as the phone charge.

Charging up a Nintendo Switch console to full power uses about 120 watts. By definition literally everything done on this console is frivolous entertainment. (In fact so are a lot of the things people do on smartphones).

Browsing the internet on a plugged-in laptop for 1 hour would use about 60w (not counting the energy used to power/host the websites or the internet connection).

Using a single lightbulb for 3 hours so you can do a jigsaw or read a paperback or paint or embroider or just eat or whatever after dark uses about 30 watts. (I appreciate that many people have lights on anyway, so this could be counted as "human waste" and not a supplemental cost on top of that).

The 10x a google search seems to have come from instagram and been repeated everywhere with no primary source behind it. But even if it's true, don't people use google for frivolous/silly reasons as well? And surely scrolling through social media (which most people do a lot more than they use ChatGPT or google) uses up way more than 10x the energy of a google search, especially sites/apps like tiktok with the constant videos (I don't use tiktok and I can't find an estimate which gives a figure I can compare here, only carbon use estimates).

I don't mind raising awareness about the hidden costs of these things but I just find it bizarre how people (not aiming this at any specific poster, but more of a trend I've seen recently any time AI or chatbots are mentioned anywhere) seem to have jumped on it as THE big energy drain when as far as I can see it is really not and there are plenty of other frivolous uses of energy by many people every single day. In fact if someone chooses to spend time playing around with chatbots, rather than play an intensive online game or watch a large, 4K quality TV streaming all evening then it may even be that the overall energy and power usage of their entertainment drops. I expect it would not be bad at giving people personalised tips about how to reduce their own energy and carbon use as well.

FinallyHere · 19/04/2025 00:12

I’ve always well often struggled when asking people questions to find out things I’m interested in and frankly want to know. ChatGPT obvs. cannot give me answers but is brilliant at showing me how someone might respond to my question and help me tweak the questions until I get ones that will draw people out and get the answers I want rather than clam up.

as I therapist for communication difficulties.

MattCauthon · 19/04/2025 00:13

I use it a lot for work. Mostly for research or to understand things because I work with lots of clients in different industries so while I know the broad brushtrokes, I am not always completely up to speed on the details. SO I can ask a specific question and get great answers. I don't use those answers as gospel truth but often it helps me to clarify things. Sometimes I will ask it for a view on an issue or to search up something - again, it's not definitive, but it often sends me in the right direction.

I also use it to write certain types of documents. I find to do this well, I have to spend a lot of time and thought to the briefing but it stil helps a lot because I can get a really good first draft that I can then edit rather than having to think of every word.

I have also used it to help me understand some of my son's ND.

Its helping me choose make up and hair colours at the moment.

And on the advice of this thread, I've just asked it to create a Disney princess version of DD!!! Grin.

TaupeMember · 19/04/2025 00:18

ErrPods · 18/04/2025 23:17

In fact, here’s what ChatGPT has to say on the top. Makes for shocking reading.

Carbon Footprint of a Child in the UK

Studies consistently show that having a child is one of the most carbon-intensive choices an individual in a developed country can make. A widely cited 2017 study in Environmental Research Letters (Wynes & Nicholas, 2017) estimated that having one less child would save about 58.6 metric tonnes of CO₂-equivalent per year in emissions for an average parent in the developed world . This astonishing figure dwarfs other actions to reduce one’s carbon footprint. It was calculated by accounting for the future emissions of the child and their descendants, then attributing a proportion of those emissions to the parent (e.g. each parent is assigned 50% of their child’s emissions, 25% of each grandchild’s, etc.). In essence, the “carbon legacy” of a child in a country like the UK is very large because that child is expected to lead a high-consuming, high-emitting lifestyle over many decades.

To put this in perspective, current per-capita emissions in the UK are around 7–10 tonnes of CO₂ per year (about 7 tCO₂ per person in 2017). So a single child’s annual carbon impact ( ~58 tCO₂) as calculated by the above method is roughly eight times the yearly emissions of the average UK resident. Over a lifetime, this can add up to thousands of tonnes of CO₂. (An earlier analysis by Murtaugh & Schlax (2009) found that a child born in the U.S. adds about 9,441 tonnes of CO₂ to that parent’s legacy ; while the number for the UK would be lower than the U.S., it would still be on the order of several thousand tonnes over a lifetime given the UK’s high per-capita emissions.) Moreover, due to high consumption patterns, a child born in the UK will be responsible for dozens of times more carbon emissions over their life than a child born in a low-income country – one estimate finds 35 times more than a child born in Bangladesh . This underscores how the environmental impact of child-rearing is not just about adding a person, but adding a high-consuming person.

It’s important to note that not all experts frame the carbon footprint of a child the same way. The very high 58.6 tCO₂/year figure assumes current emission patterns remain constant. Some analysts argue this approach overstates individual responsibility for future emissions. If one only counts the direct emissions of the child (until adulthood) or does not include indefinite future descendants, the impact appears smaller. For example, one calculation assigns about 45 tonnes of CO₂ in total to each parent for having a child. This more modest estimate (roughly 45 tCO₂ per parent for one child) is “the same as taking one transatlantic flight every four years of one’s lifetime” in terms of emissions. In other words, from this perspective, the added emissions from having a child, while still significant, are closer in magnitude to other personal choices – though still larger than most single actions. The disparity in these estimates reflects different ethical and methodological approaches: whether and how to allocate a descendant’s emissions to the parent is debated. However, even the lower estimates acknowledge a substantial carbon impact from procreation.

Lifetime Emissions and Resource Use

When considering the lifetime emissions of a child, one must account for all the resources and energy that individual will consume over the decades – from food, housing and transportation to products and services. In a developed economy like the UK, this lifetime carbon footprint is enormous under the status quo. For example, the International Energy Agency (IEA) has projected that under a stringent climate action scenario (where the world reaches net-zero emissions by 2050), an average baby born in the 2020s might emit only ~34 tonnes of CO₂ in their lifetime . But this is a best-case scenario assuming a rapid global shift to clean energy. Historically, older generations in industrialized countries have carbon footprints in the hundreds of tonnes. If the world does not rapidly decarbonize, a child born in the UK today could easily be responsible for hundreds of tonnes of CO₂ over their lifetime, given current lifestyles. (For context, a baby boomer in an advanced economy has been estimated to emit ~350 tCO₂ in their life on average – a figure that younger generations must drastically shrink to be sustainable.)

Beyond carbon emissions, having a child also increases overall resource use and other environmental impacts. More people means greater demand for energy, water, food, and materials. Humanity has “consumed more resources in the last 50 years than all of previous history,” largely due to population growth coupled with rising consumption . In practical terms, raising a child in the UK entails things like food production (and associated land use and water use), housing space and energy, transportation needs, and waste generation (from nappies/diapers in infancy to general consumer waste). All of these activities carry an environmental cost. For instance, providing for an extra child often means higher household energy usage and additional consumption of goods – from clothing to electronics – thereby increasing the household’s carbon footprint and ecological footprint. One UK-focused analysis pointed out the inequity in resource use: “each additional consumer in the developed world makes a globally disproportionate impact,” so a child born in Britain will use far more of the planet’s resources and environmental capacity than one born in a poorer country . In short, the negative environmental impact of having a child in the UK is not only about carbon dioxide emissions, but also about a higher share of global resources being consumed over that child’s life.

To appreciate the scale of a child’s carbon footprint, it helps to compare it with other well-known climate-conscious lifestyle changes. Researchers have quantified the approximate carbon savings (or added emissions) from various actions (see pic I’ve attached)

As the table illustrates, the carbon emissions associated with one child in the UK vastly exceed those of other individual actions. In fact, the decision to have a child (or not) eclipses these other efforts by an order of magnitude or more. For example, the ~58.6 tCO₂ per year from having a child is about 24 times the annual emissions saved by living car-free (58.6 vs 2.4), and roughly 73 times the impact of adopting a plant-based diet (58.6 vs 0.8). Put another way, the emissions “cost” of one child could equal dozens of long-haul flights or a lifetime of diligent recycling. One news commentary noted that having one fewer child can save far more emissions than all other common green actions combined . This stark contrast is why scientists often emphasize smaller families as a powerful climate mitigation strategy alongside lowering personal consumption.

It’s important to clarify that these comparisons consider current average emissions. If society’s overall emissions per person decline in the future (through cleaner energy and technology), the relative gap would shrink. In fact, Wynes & Nicholas note that if future generations live in a low-carbon economy, the climate impact of an additional child could be up to 17 times less than the current estimate . Even so, under today’s conditions, choosing to have one fewer child is frequently highlighted as the single biggest “environmental choice” an individual can make , in terms of direct carbon footprint.

Population and Sustainability Perspectives

The large carbon footprint associated with children in wealthy nations has led many environmental experts and organizations to discuss family size in the context of sustainability. Population Matters, a UK-based sustainability charity, argues that having smaller families “makes an enormous difference” to our carbon emissions and ecological footprint . High-profile figures have also weighed in. Naturalist Sir David Attenborough has warned about population growth, stating that “in the long run, population growth has to come to an end” to avoid undermining our progress on climate and the environment. The logic is that fewer people in future generations, especially in high-consumption countries, means less stress on the planet’s climate system and resources.

However, there is also debate and nuance in this discussion. Some commentators caution that framing the climate crisis as a result of personal reproductive choices can be overly simplistic. They argue that future technologies and societal shifts could drastically reduce the carbon footprint of each person. For instance, a report by the climate philanthropy Founders Pledge noted that future emissions projections should account for policy changes (like a switch to electric vehicles or green energy) rather than assuming each child will emit carbon at today’s rates indefinitely. If a child born today ends up living in a society that runs on clean energy, their lifetime emissions will be much lower than those of someone born decades ago. This perspective suggests that having children is not inherently “climate-destroying” – it depends on how those children live and what technologies are in place. Indeed, as mentioned, in a full net-zero 2050 scenario, a child’s lifetime CO₂ footprint could be on the order of just a few tens of tonnes , which is a radical improvement over current figures.

Another consideration is the ethical dimension: Who is responsible for emissions – the parent or the child themselves? Many ethicists argue that while parents do introduce a new consumer into the world, responsibility for emissions is shared and diminishes over generations. Additionally, focusing only on the number of people can overlook the disparities in consumption. One additional child in the UK will have a far greater negative environmental impact than one additional child in a low-income, low-emission country . In terms of fairness, global sustainability requires both addressing population and reducing per-capita consumption in wealthy nations. As the Robin Maynard analysis highlights, “each additional consumer in the developed world makes a globally disproportionate impact”, meaning population growth in high-consuming countries like the UK is especially pertinent to climate change .

In summary, choosing to have a child in the UK carries a substantial carbon burden under current conditions, contributing significantly to climate change and resource depletion. This impact outweighs other common lifestyle changes one might make for the environment. On the flip side, climate-conscious choices – from living car-free to eating a vegetarian or vegan diet –, while important, pale in comparison to the emissions added by an extra person living a typical western lifestyle . Population experts and environmental researchers therefore consider family size as a key piece of the sustainability puzzle, especially in affluent societies.

Conclusion and Key Takeaways

  • Carbon Footprint of a Child: Raising a child in the UK is associated with a very large carbon footprint. Estimates suggest on the order of ~59 tonnes CO₂ per year added for each child, when accounting for that child’s lifetime emissions. Even more conservative approaches still put the impact at tens of tonnes of CO₂ in total per parent – a significant addition to one’s carbon legacy.
  • Lifetime Emissions: Without major changes in technology and behavior, a single new UK-born person could be responsible for hundreds or even thousands of tonnes of CO₂ over their lifetime (given today’s high per-capita emissions). This is dramatically higher than the footprint of a child born in a poorer country, highlighting global inequities . It also represents a substantial draw on natural resources (food, water, energy, land) over the decades.
  • Compared to Other Actions: The climate impact of having one child far exceeds other individual actions like not driving, avoiding flights, or reducing meat consumption. For example, forgoing one roundtrip flight might save ~1.6 tCO₂ and going car-free saves ~2.4 tCO₂/year , whereas not having a child can “save” on the order of 58 tCO₂ per year. In other words, one fewer child can have a larger effect than dozens of lifestyle changes combined .
  • Population and Sustainability: Because of these outsized impacts, many experts advocate for smaller families as part of a sustainable future, especially in high-income countries. Empowering informed family planning and discussing the environmental dimension of parenthood are increasingly seen as important for climate strategy. At the same time, the true future impact of today’s children will depend on societal shifts – if we achieve a low-carbon economy, the emissions per child will be much less . Thus, solutions lie in both addressing consumption and improving technology and, where appropriate, considering the choice of family size as a climate-relevant decision.

Sources:

  • Wynes, S. & Nicholas, K. (2017). Environmental Research Letters – high-impact personal actions for reducing emissions (incl. having one fewer child) .
  • Cabot Institute Blog (U. of Bristol, 2023) – ethical analysis of climate and procreation, provides an alternate emission estimate per parent.
  • Guardian & Independent climate reports – coverage of carbon footprint of children (58.6 tonnes CO₂/yr figure) .
  • Legal & General “Planet Parenthood” (2022) – discussion on climate impact of children and lifestyle changes.
  • International Energy Agency via WEF (2022) – projections of drastically lower lifetime emissions for children if carbon neutrality is achieved .
  • Population Matters / Evening Standard – commentary on population, resource use, and climate impacts in the UK context .

You saying all this to the previous poster who got on your nerves is beyond ridiculous

Orwellsunshine · 19/04/2025 00:20

I used it to check facts about life in the Victorian age for a story I am writing and to compare and contrast some pieces of music so I had a general idea of what I wanted to say in an essay I needed to write.

TaupeMember · 19/04/2025 00:21

ErrPods · 18/04/2025 23:45

So would you go into a TTC thread and educate people there about the environmental impact of having a child so they can make an informed decision?

You are derailing your own thread

recipientofraspberries · 19/04/2025 00:31

BertieBotts · 19/04/2025 00:12

I don't really understand all the handwringing about amounts of energy - one poster said creating an image uses as much as it does to charge a smartphone - that is a miniscule amount of energy compared to basically any electronic form of entertainment you might have in your house.

Charging a smartphone to full uses about 15 watts of energy.

Watching a 30 minute programme on TV uses about 75 watts for the TV plus whatever share of the energy used to create and broadcast the TV show.

Or listening to an album using a CD player, twice through, would use about the same as the phone charge.

Charging up a Nintendo Switch console to full power uses about 120 watts. By definition literally everything done on this console is frivolous entertainment. (In fact so are a lot of the things people do on smartphones).

Browsing the internet on a plugged-in laptop for 1 hour would use about 60w (not counting the energy used to power/host the websites or the internet connection).

Using a single lightbulb for 3 hours so you can do a jigsaw or read a paperback or paint or embroider or just eat or whatever after dark uses about 30 watts. (I appreciate that many people have lights on anyway, so this could be counted as "human waste" and not a supplemental cost on top of that).

The 10x a google search seems to have come from instagram and been repeated everywhere with no primary source behind it. But even if it's true, don't people use google for frivolous/silly reasons as well? And surely scrolling through social media (which most people do a lot more than they use ChatGPT or google) uses up way more than 10x the energy of a google search, especially sites/apps like tiktok with the constant videos (I don't use tiktok and I can't find an estimate which gives a figure I can compare here, only carbon use estimates).

I don't mind raising awareness about the hidden costs of these things but I just find it bizarre how people (not aiming this at any specific poster, but more of a trend I've seen recently any time AI or chatbots are mentioned anywhere) seem to have jumped on it as THE big energy drain when as far as I can see it is really not and there are plenty of other frivolous uses of energy by many people every single day. In fact if someone chooses to spend time playing around with chatbots, rather than play an intensive online game or watch a large, 4K quality TV streaming all evening then it may even be that the overall energy and power usage of their entertainment drops. I expect it would not be bad at giving people personalised tips about how to reduce their own energy and carbon use as well.

"In July 2022, Microsoft used 52 million liters of water to train ChatGPT in West Des Moines, Iowa. That amounted to 6 percent of the entire city’s water use that month and caused Microsoft’s water consumption to spike by 34 percent that year.

Not wanting to be left behind, Google raced to bring its Gemini AI model to market in 2023.

In its 2024 Environment Report, it disclosed that its carbon emissions had increased by 48 percent compared to 2019, “primarily due to increased data center energy consumption and supply chain emissions.”

Its data center water use, meanwhile, increased by nearly 88 percent during the same period, “primarily due to water cooling needs at our data centers, which experienced increased electricity consumption year-over-year.”

If AI were a country…
According to the International Energy Agency (IEA), a single ChatGPT query uses almost 10 times as much electricity as a simple Google search."

from this article: thinklandscape.globallandscapesforum.org/72106/can-we-afford-the-environmental-cost-of-ai/?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw8IfABhBXEiwAxRHlsKcO3lxHe7L63TtlgX042grUSD8ryNAPMaH3IY_w297fVtX0EFNrAhoCeHoQAvD_BwE

Traffic on Interstate 35 passes a Microsoft data center, Tuesday, Sept. 5, 2023, in West Des Moines, Iowa. Microsoft has been amassing a cluster of data centers to power its cloud computing services for more than a decade. Its fourth and fifth data cen...

Artificial intelligence technology behind ChatGPT was built in Iowa — with a lot of water

As they race to capitalize on a craze for generative AI, leading tech developers including Microsoft, OpenAI and Google have acknowledged that growing demand for their AI tools carries hefty costs, from expensive semiconductors to an increase in water...

https://apnews.com/article/chatgpt-gpt4-iowa-ai-water-consumption-microsoft-f551fde98083d17a7e8d904f8be822c4

everythingeverything1981 · 19/04/2025 00:42

Did you really need to quote that long arsed post? The very definition of tldr

BertieBotts · 19/04/2025 00:43

OK, and? Lots of industries use a lot of water and/or power.

Is your upset with individuals performing queries for entertainment because this is adding to the overall power/water usage, or with the companies for existing (and therefore individuals for supporting them)?

I do not think chatbots are uniquely terrible. I do understand that data centres use a lot of water and power. The "race" aspect of this probably isn't great but I do think AI in general is one of the best hopes we have for solving big problems like climate change.

Starseeking · 19/04/2025 00:56

I’ve been job hunting for 2 months and had one interview. I then asked ChatGPT to evaluate a JD, cover letter and my CV, and tell me how closely aligned they were. It said 80-85%, and with the tweaks they suggested, it should take the match to 95% plus. Duly revised, I submitted the updated documents to the employer and was shortlisted. After I’d answered further queries from the HR team, I was taken out of the running for this role as I wasn’t immediately available.

I would easily use ChatGPT for similar in future, as it was really helpful.

rainbowlou · 19/04/2025 01:03

I used it to help me write a eulogy, I knew what I wanted to include but couldn’t quite get it all to flow nicely, it gave me some really
nice ideas of how to word my ideas and I was pleased with the final thing.

SoloSofa24 · 19/04/2025 01:16

ErrPods · 18/04/2025 22:50

Do you have children?

Yes, I have children, and I would like there to be a liveable world for them and their potential future children. They are in their 20s, and are careful of their impact on the environment. They are veggie/vegan, as am I; they don't drive, I do drive but have the smallest possible hybrid car for my needs; we all use public transport as much as possible and avoid flying and so on.

Of course we all use resources, including the internet, but the way that some people seem to be using ChatGpt is a totally unnecessary added source of carbon emissions.

coxesorangepippin · 19/04/2025 01:39

Absolutely nothing

ExhaustedButHere · 19/04/2025 02:07

I’ve started to use it postpartum to create a lose daily schedule so I can manage my time with my new baby (who is EBF + pumping) and DD(4) over the Easter holidays and find pockets of down time and fit in tasks I can’t forget to do etc. It’s been an absolute game changer, especially since using voice recognition instead of typing.

Last week I was overwhelmed and completely drowning and ChatGPT has helped me see my days clearly, sort out a pumping/feeding schedule where I sleep more than I did and suggest the best times to get my tasks done.

If (when) I’m running behind I just speak into it and tell it what time it is, what I’ve done/haven’t done and it readjusts the rest of the day.

Honestly, in the postpartum fog, it’s like a personal assistant and best friend right now. I’m so glad I got the idea to use it that way as it’s improved my quality of life since I’ve started.

Currently awake to feed/pump and feel pretty good about it! Last week I just wanted to the planet to open up and swallow me whole at this time of night 🫠

123feraverto · 19/04/2025 04:24

Turned my cat into a Beatrix potter character

NonnyNun · 19/04/2025 05:10

Loving the idea people are using it every day, feeding it blood test results, work problems, holiday plans, photos of the entire family and are somehow amazed it knows how old they are, where they live, what they do, where they go abroad etc.

You guys do make me laugh.

ChocolateLemons · 19/04/2025 05:12

SoloSofa24 · 18/04/2025 22:15

I won't use it on principle, due to the environmental impact, in the same way that I have never and will never order anything from Shein, Temu and the like.

I have also seen enough of the complete nonsense ChatGpt and other AIs produce not to trust it to produce reliable information.

https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/story/ai-has-environmental-problem-heres-what-world-can-do-about

Hope you are vegetarian and don't drive then...
One burger emits 60-500 times more CO2 than using chatgpt for an hour.
An hour driving is 5000-50,000 times more CO2.
I'm fanatical about sustainability - if you are too I hope that you're making cutbacks in the areas that will make a difference, not the areas that don't interest you anyway.

ChocolateLemons · 19/04/2025 05:24

ErrPods · 18/04/2025 23:17

In fact, here’s what ChatGPT has to say on the top. Makes for shocking reading.

Carbon Footprint of a Child in the UK

Studies consistently show that having a child is one of the most carbon-intensive choices an individual in a developed country can make. A widely cited 2017 study in Environmental Research Letters (Wynes & Nicholas, 2017) estimated that having one less child would save about 58.6 metric tonnes of CO₂-equivalent per year in emissions for an average parent in the developed world . This astonishing figure dwarfs other actions to reduce one’s carbon footprint. It was calculated by accounting for the future emissions of the child and their descendants, then attributing a proportion of those emissions to the parent (e.g. each parent is assigned 50% of their child’s emissions, 25% of each grandchild’s, etc.). In essence, the “carbon legacy” of a child in a country like the UK is very large because that child is expected to lead a high-consuming, high-emitting lifestyle over many decades.

To put this in perspective, current per-capita emissions in the UK are around 7–10 tonnes of CO₂ per year (about 7 tCO₂ per person in 2017). So a single child’s annual carbon impact ( ~58 tCO₂) as calculated by the above method is roughly eight times the yearly emissions of the average UK resident. Over a lifetime, this can add up to thousands of tonnes of CO₂. (An earlier analysis by Murtaugh & Schlax (2009) found that a child born in the U.S. adds about 9,441 tonnes of CO₂ to that parent’s legacy ; while the number for the UK would be lower than the U.S., it would still be on the order of several thousand tonnes over a lifetime given the UK’s high per-capita emissions.) Moreover, due to high consumption patterns, a child born in the UK will be responsible for dozens of times more carbon emissions over their life than a child born in a low-income country – one estimate finds 35 times more than a child born in Bangladesh . This underscores how the environmental impact of child-rearing is not just about adding a person, but adding a high-consuming person.

It’s important to note that not all experts frame the carbon footprint of a child the same way. The very high 58.6 tCO₂/year figure assumes current emission patterns remain constant. Some analysts argue this approach overstates individual responsibility for future emissions. If one only counts the direct emissions of the child (until adulthood) or does not include indefinite future descendants, the impact appears smaller. For example, one calculation assigns about 45 tonnes of CO₂ in total to each parent for having a child. This more modest estimate (roughly 45 tCO₂ per parent for one child) is “the same as taking one transatlantic flight every four years of one’s lifetime” in terms of emissions. In other words, from this perspective, the added emissions from having a child, while still significant, are closer in magnitude to other personal choices – though still larger than most single actions. The disparity in these estimates reflects different ethical and methodological approaches: whether and how to allocate a descendant’s emissions to the parent is debated. However, even the lower estimates acknowledge a substantial carbon impact from procreation.

Lifetime Emissions and Resource Use

When considering the lifetime emissions of a child, one must account for all the resources and energy that individual will consume over the decades – from food, housing and transportation to products and services. In a developed economy like the UK, this lifetime carbon footprint is enormous under the status quo. For example, the International Energy Agency (IEA) has projected that under a stringent climate action scenario (where the world reaches net-zero emissions by 2050), an average baby born in the 2020s might emit only ~34 tonnes of CO₂ in their lifetime . But this is a best-case scenario assuming a rapid global shift to clean energy. Historically, older generations in industrialized countries have carbon footprints in the hundreds of tonnes. If the world does not rapidly decarbonize, a child born in the UK today could easily be responsible for hundreds of tonnes of CO₂ over their lifetime, given current lifestyles. (For context, a baby boomer in an advanced economy has been estimated to emit ~350 tCO₂ in their life on average – a figure that younger generations must drastically shrink to be sustainable.)

Beyond carbon emissions, having a child also increases overall resource use and other environmental impacts. More people means greater demand for energy, water, food, and materials. Humanity has “consumed more resources in the last 50 years than all of previous history,” largely due to population growth coupled with rising consumption . In practical terms, raising a child in the UK entails things like food production (and associated land use and water use), housing space and energy, transportation needs, and waste generation (from nappies/diapers in infancy to general consumer waste). All of these activities carry an environmental cost. For instance, providing for an extra child often means higher household energy usage and additional consumption of goods – from clothing to electronics – thereby increasing the household’s carbon footprint and ecological footprint. One UK-focused analysis pointed out the inequity in resource use: “each additional consumer in the developed world makes a globally disproportionate impact,” so a child born in Britain will use far more of the planet’s resources and environmental capacity than one born in a poorer country . In short, the negative environmental impact of having a child in the UK is not only about carbon dioxide emissions, but also about a higher share of global resources being consumed over that child’s life.

To appreciate the scale of a child’s carbon footprint, it helps to compare it with other well-known climate-conscious lifestyle changes. Researchers have quantified the approximate carbon savings (or added emissions) from various actions (see pic I’ve attached)

As the table illustrates, the carbon emissions associated with one child in the UK vastly exceed those of other individual actions. In fact, the decision to have a child (or not) eclipses these other efforts by an order of magnitude or more. For example, the ~58.6 tCO₂ per year from having a child is about 24 times the annual emissions saved by living car-free (58.6 vs 2.4), and roughly 73 times the impact of adopting a plant-based diet (58.6 vs 0.8). Put another way, the emissions “cost” of one child could equal dozens of long-haul flights or a lifetime of diligent recycling. One news commentary noted that having one fewer child can save far more emissions than all other common green actions combined . This stark contrast is why scientists often emphasize smaller families as a powerful climate mitigation strategy alongside lowering personal consumption.

It’s important to clarify that these comparisons consider current average emissions. If society’s overall emissions per person decline in the future (through cleaner energy and technology), the relative gap would shrink. In fact, Wynes & Nicholas note that if future generations live in a low-carbon economy, the climate impact of an additional child could be up to 17 times less than the current estimate . Even so, under today’s conditions, choosing to have one fewer child is frequently highlighted as the single biggest “environmental choice” an individual can make , in terms of direct carbon footprint.

Population and Sustainability Perspectives

The large carbon footprint associated with children in wealthy nations has led many environmental experts and organizations to discuss family size in the context of sustainability. Population Matters, a UK-based sustainability charity, argues that having smaller families “makes an enormous difference” to our carbon emissions and ecological footprint . High-profile figures have also weighed in. Naturalist Sir David Attenborough has warned about population growth, stating that “in the long run, population growth has to come to an end” to avoid undermining our progress on climate and the environment. The logic is that fewer people in future generations, especially in high-consumption countries, means less stress on the planet’s climate system and resources.

However, there is also debate and nuance in this discussion. Some commentators caution that framing the climate crisis as a result of personal reproductive choices can be overly simplistic. They argue that future technologies and societal shifts could drastically reduce the carbon footprint of each person. For instance, a report by the climate philanthropy Founders Pledge noted that future emissions projections should account for policy changes (like a switch to electric vehicles or green energy) rather than assuming each child will emit carbon at today’s rates indefinitely. If a child born today ends up living in a society that runs on clean energy, their lifetime emissions will be much lower than those of someone born decades ago. This perspective suggests that having children is not inherently “climate-destroying” – it depends on how those children live and what technologies are in place. Indeed, as mentioned, in a full net-zero 2050 scenario, a child’s lifetime CO₂ footprint could be on the order of just a few tens of tonnes , which is a radical improvement over current figures.

Another consideration is the ethical dimension: Who is responsible for emissions – the parent or the child themselves? Many ethicists argue that while parents do introduce a new consumer into the world, responsibility for emissions is shared and diminishes over generations. Additionally, focusing only on the number of people can overlook the disparities in consumption. One additional child in the UK will have a far greater negative environmental impact than one additional child in a low-income, low-emission country . In terms of fairness, global sustainability requires both addressing population and reducing per-capita consumption in wealthy nations. As the Robin Maynard analysis highlights, “each additional consumer in the developed world makes a globally disproportionate impact”, meaning population growth in high-consuming countries like the UK is especially pertinent to climate change .

In summary, choosing to have a child in the UK carries a substantial carbon burden under current conditions, contributing significantly to climate change and resource depletion. This impact outweighs other common lifestyle changes one might make for the environment. On the flip side, climate-conscious choices – from living car-free to eating a vegetarian or vegan diet –, while important, pale in comparison to the emissions added by an extra person living a typical western lifestyle . Population experts and environmental researchers therefore consider family size as a key piece of the sustainability puzzle, especially in affluent societies.

Conclusion and Key Takeaways

  • Carbon Footprint of a Child: Raising a child in the UK is associated with a very large carbon footprint. Estimates suggest on the order of ~59 tonnes CO₂ per year added for each child, when accounting for that child’s lifetime emissions. Even more conservative approaches still put the impact at tens of tonnes of CO₂ in total per parent – a significant addition to one’s carbon legacy.
  • Lifetime Emissions: Without major changes in technology and behavior, a single new UK-born person could be responsible for hundreds or even thousands of tonnes of CO₂ over their lifetime (given today’s high per-capita emissions). This is dramatically higher than the footprint of a child born in a poorer country, highlighting global inequities . It also represents a substantial draw on natural resources (food, water, energy, land) over the decades.
  • Compared to Other Actions: The climate impact of having one child far exceeds other individual actions like not driving, avoiding flights, or reducing meat consumption. For example, forgoing one roundtrip flight might save ~1.6 tCO₂ and going car-free saves ~2.4 tCO₂/year , whereas not having a child can “save” on the order of 58 tCO₂ per year. In other words, one fewer child can have a larger effect than dozens of lifestyle changes combined .
  • Population and Sustainability: Because of these outsized impacts, many experts advocate for smaller families as part of a sustainable future, especially in high-income countries. Empowering informed family planning and discussing the environmental dimension of parenthood are increasingly seen as important for climate strategy. At the same time, the true future impact of today’s children will depend on societal shifts – if we achieve a low-carbon economy, the emissions per child will be much less . Thus, solutions lie in both addressing consumption and improving technology and, where appropriate, considering the choice of family size as a climate-relevant decision.

Sources:

  • Wynes, S. & Nicholas, K. (2017). Environmental Research Letters – high-impact personal actions for reducing emissions (incl. having one fewer child) .
  • Cabot Institute Blog (U. of Bristol, 2023) – ethical analysis of climate and procreation, provides an alternate emission estimate per parent.
  • Guardian & Independent climate reports – coverage of carbon footprint of children (58.6 tonnes CO₂/yr figure) .
  • Legal & General “Planet Parenthood” (2022) – discussion on climate impact of children and lifestyle changes.
  • International Energy Agency via WEF (2022) – projections of drastically lower lifetime emissions for children if carbon neutrality is achieved .
  • Population Matters / Evening Standard – commentary on population, resource use, and climate impacts in the UK context .

Come on Mumsnet to say having children isn't environmentally friendly (?)
It's the setup of society having the impact not being human and being alive.
Children are great! They're not heavily invested in fossil fuels, flying around in their private jets or setting up intensive livestock farming. At least if they are they are being very sneaky about it..... 🤔

ChocolateLemons · 19/04/2025 05:36

SoloSofa24 · 19/04/2025 01:16

Yes, I have children, and I would like there to be a liveable world for them and their potential future children. They are in their 20s, and are careful of their impact on the environment. They are veggie/vegan, as am I; they don't drive, I do drive but have the smallest possible hybrid car for my needs; we all use public transport as much as possible and avoid flying and so on.

Of course we all use resources, including the internet, but the way that some people seem to be using ChatGpt is a totally unnecessary added source of carbon emissions.

See you actually are! Nice one 😊🎉

SpidersAreShitheads · 19/04/2025 06:06

I completely understand the attraction of AI and ChatGPT, and it's incredibly useful for some tasks.

But I would really urge serious caution in taking everything it says as the gospel truth. I tested it out and it got some very fundamental facts wrong - but it wouldn't have been obvious to someone with no knowledge of the subject. So if you are relying on ChatGPT for information on a subject you don't know a lot about, please be really careful trusting the results if it's something important.

My other issue is that it regularly changes my instructions and just decides to do its own thing. I find that really disconcerting and more than a bit worrying. The instructions are given - it completes the task correctly for the first few times. And then it starts to override my instructions to do what it thinks is better. Then that extends more and more until what it's doing is not what I asked at all. I remind it of the parameters, it apologises, and then we start the same cycle again.

I know I sound all weird tin-hat conspiracy theory but I'm uneasy about a computer that can unilaterally decide it knows better than me and disregard the instructions I've given it to do the opposite of what I asked.....

To be completely transparent, I am not a fan of AI as it's pretty much wiped out my industry in one foul swoop. I'm a freelance copywriter and I have a couple of clients left, but if they go I don't think I'll be able to continue as there's virtually no new work. I've been doing this for 14 years and always had clients queuing round the block for my services, but now, it's tumbleweed.

Also, a lot of what ChatGPT writes is pretty poor. It may be grammatically correct, but it's waffly and lacks depth, detail, and precision. Fine for email replies and brief text but nothing more unless you're not fussed about quality. Not just sour grapes either, honest! 😂

Yatzydog · 19/04/2025 06:55

Just asked it to guess My age and it asked my fave teen song, childhood toy,TV show etc. It got it spot on

That would worry me and make me consider how i use the internet.

Yatzydog · 19/04/2025 06:58

I try to use for stuff that I could never figure out myself. I like to still use my brain.

It is excellent for language learning. Amazing at translating context in a way that would be impossible just using a dictionary (online or not).

Cyclingandrunning · 19/04/2025 07:10

I love chat GPT and use it for work every day. Before anyone tells me off, I became vegan some years ago and since my use of chatgpt - I've countered it by cycling to and from work each day, rather than driving. This is no mean feat as its 10 miles each way. Every time I cycle in the rain, I think, "at least I can use chatgpt guilty free"

My job needs me to be informed on key national policy documents and reviews (of which there are loads, seems at least a new one most days). I use chat gpt to summarise these. I also use it to:

Evaluation frameworks
Start a document (ie headings etc)
Thematic analysis
Write difficult emails
Check for grammer
Ask for "explain this as if I were 12 years old"
I could go on and on...

I have paid for the subscription so also use it to:
Find research articles (gpt scholar)

For home life:
Menu planning and recipies
Exercise plans
A bit of therapy.

Cyclingandrunning · 19/04/2025 07:19

I forgot to say that I use it to translate loads of stuff too

SocialEvent · 19/04/2025 07:19

I’ve used it to explain medical test results and asked it for prognosis in ways I can understand and explore possible prognosis in a way real life doctors wouldn’t be able to give me time to do. I do take it with a massive pinch of salt though and would never treat it as sole source