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So how do I live in the female gender?

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Definitelynamechanged123 · 18/04/2025 14:28

There are 8834 people in the UK who have a Gender Recognition Certificate.
I am one of them.

To get it, I had to show evidence of transition, surgery etc. Lots of hoops

I also had to swear a Statutory Declaration. I had to go to a Magistrates Court and swear a legal declaration in front of a magistrate. It was all very formal.

I had to swear this:

" have lived as a (insert ‘male’ or ‘female’ as appropriate)
throughout the period of years before the date of this statutory
declaration and I intend to live in that gender until death."

This declaration is legally binding. Apparently if I don't follow this, I can be done for perjury.

So...how do I live as a female and live in that gender until death - I have sworn to do this in front of a magistrate.

I was very surprised that so few trans people have Gender Recognition Certificates.

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gabsdot45 · 18/04/2025 19:43

Surely you had thought about this before you signed that form.

Silversixpenny · 18/04/2025 19:43

Flowergirlie91 · 18/04/2025 19:40

I can totally understand that women need safe spaces. I just think it’s highly unlikely that a man who clearly looks like a man is going to walk into a womens confined space. I have maybe seen this once and it was a genuine accident as that man hadn’t seen the sign. For a man to want to assault women so badly that they go through plastic surgery to look like a woman to go into spaces to assault women… how many of these men willing to go through these lengths are realisticly out there? A handfull in the whole world? More likely someone walks into a shopping centre with a gun and randomly starts shooting people

It's not that, it's (or rather it was) that a predatory male would/will/had/did (there have been many people on record showing this) accessed a women's only space knowing they couldn't be challenged if they said the right words.

Manxexile · 18/04/2025 19:43

@Definitelynamechanged123 - "So...how do I live as a female and live in that gender until death - I have sworn to do this in front of a magistrate... "

Surely you asked yourself this question before swearing it?

Either you were happy to do so and did, or you weren't and you should not have done so.

Nsky62 · 18/04/2025 19:44

Delphigirl · 18/04/2025 14:42

No idea how you live as a female when you aren’t a female. That is for you to decide what it means for you, and no doubt that will not be the same as what it means for other trans people as humans are all individuals. For some people that might mean changing their body surgically, dressing in what they perceive as women’s clothes (although jeans and a tshirt are just as much women’s clothes as a dress), wearing a long-haired wig (although men can have long hair without the wig and plenty of women have short hair) etc.
But don’t expect women to tell you, it’s not our fucking job.

Nasty!
no need

NessieDoesExistYes · 18/04/2025 19:44

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 19:43

This is one of my points too.

Many of us have been abused by a man. They don’t usually put a dress on to do it. Frankly that seems like a lot of effort to behave in a way that they do anyway.

When women are raped and attacked in parks or in fact their own homes, I think trans people in toilets are the very least of our worries.

No. They are one more worry.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 18/04/2025 19:44

NessieDoesExistYes · 18/04/2025 19:41

You've just reposted a spam post ?

Yeah - because it's a quote, once MN delete it my post will just show the deletion message. It's all good.

ThisJadeFinch · 18/04/2025 19:44

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viques · 18/04/2025 19:45

Flowergirlie91 · 18/04/2025 19:31

Well if my niece was that talented (rare) and she would be knocked down by a trans woman (even rarer) both of them would be scouted for man united as clearly they are both so talented. Also most amateur sports like football are grouped in age years, so a 30 year old wouldn’t be playing with a 13 year old. Tell me, how many trans women have you seen on your football pitch knocking 13 year old kids. You must have seen it many times to be this concerned

It was hypothetical scenario, you know, like the ones you made up so we would know how caring you are. And yes, in many amateur leagues there are very flexible age ranges so it is perfectly possible for a 16 year old ( not 13 as you seem to think I wrote) to play with and against 30 year olds.

ChessorBuckaroo · 18/04/2025 19:45

Fraggeek · 18/04/2025 18:09

I'm so sorry for the onslaught of bigoted views about to come your way.

From a biological 🙄 woman

It's vile.

Sorry you have had to read such toxic bigotry on here OP.

LobeliaBaggins · 18/04/2025 19:46

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 19:43

This is one of my points too.

Many of us have been abused by a man. They don’t usually put a dress on to do it. Frankly that seems like a lot of effort to behave in a way that they do anyway.

When women are raped and attacked in parks or in fact their own homes, I think trans people in toilets are the very least of our worries.

It's not just about toilets.
A week ago I could have been sacked for stating my view that transwomen are men in my workplace. Now I can't be.
I appreciate that freedom.

A week ago I could not request a female only ward if I went into hospital. Now I can.

There's lots more.

Wishing14 · 18/04/2025 19:46

I think it is sad if hate against trans people increases. But I honestly wish these last years fighting for TWAW and access to women’s spaces it was instead a third space that was fought for. We would all be in a very different place right now.

MyShiningTigerLight · 18/04/2025 19:46

The only thing I do and have done as a nod to being female is:
Have periods
Try not to get pregnant
Take the pill (and the awful side effects)
Try to get pregnant
Childbirth
Breastfeed
Be the default parent for (x number of) children
Keep having periods that get more “fun” as perimenopause develops.
Wait for menopause.

That’s it. Nothing else on my life makes me female, so I don’t know how any male born person would have the audacity to say he’s living as a woman because he puts on a dress. Sorry, I’ve just had enough of this ridiculous ideology. No certificate and legal status can make anyone change their sex.

LobeliaBaggins · 18/04/2025 19:47

ChessorBuckaroo · 18/04/2025 19:45

It's vile.

Sorry you have had to read such toxic bigotry on here OP.

What bigotry? The type now appproved as law? I hope you dont work in HR.

Shubbypubby · 18/04/2025 19:48

Giggle a lot, wear pink, have long blonde hair, be deferential to men, do all the housework?

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 19:48

NessieDoesExistYes · 18/04/2025 19:44

No. They are one more worry.

I am genuinely unconcerned that a trans woman is going to attack me anywhere. But then I also actually don’t live in constant fear of attack.

I think we have to learn to separate bad people, from just people. I don’t personally believe it’s healthy to assume all men are out to hurt me, even if individual ones have before. I don’t believe it’s fair to assume trans women are violent because some men are.

OP has absolutely no meaningful relationship with the dangerous men I have met, in the same way that a random man on the street doesn’t either.

ChippingSoda · 18/04/2025 19:49

OP you raise an interesting point… Could you repost in the legal section and get some expert legal perspectives?

If you are legally obliged to ‘live as a woman’ because you swore to do so in court… at that time was there any information on what the ‘punishment’ is for failing to do so? Is it removal of your certificate? (I don’t imagine a perjury prosecution would be considered proportionate by the CPS).

You can’t ’live as a woman’ while it’s not lawful for you to use women’s spaces. So the new ruling could have by implication invalidated gender recognition certificates.

My advice to you would be to live as yourself and enjoy life, to the extent that it doesn’t harm others.

Flowergirlie91 · 18/04/2025 19:49

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 19:43

This is one of my points too.

Many of us have been abused by a man. They don’t usually put a dress on to do it. Frankly that seems like a lot of effort to behave in a way that they do anyway.

When women are raped and attacked in parks or in fact their own homes, I think trans people in toilets are the very least of our worries.

Exactly this. I have been badly treated by multiple men in life and most of them were very masculine. All the trans people I have ever met were kind and mindful of other people. Also most men I know are lazy / will take the easy route and they can’t even plan a shopping list, let alone gender surgery and years of hormone therapy

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 19:50

LobeliaBaggins · 18/04/2025 19:46

It's not just about toilets.
A week ago I could have been sacked for stating my view that transwomen are men in my workplace. Now I can't be.
I appreciate that freedom.

A week ago I could not request a female only ward if I went into hospital. Now I can.

There's lots more.

There are - none of which everyone requests or needs.

If I’m in hospital - I want to be treated. The gender identity of the person in the same room as me has no impact on the quality of treatment I receive.

Where should OP be in a hospital? Uncomfortable with the men’s ward? In a cupboard?

dancebob1980 · 18/04/2025 19:50

NessieDoesExistYes · 18/04/2025 19:24

Well now you know what women have lived with for centuries. Worried about being assaulted.

You need to work on educating men to allow men like you use men's toilets.

It's MEN who need to reassess this not women.

I have never been worried about being assaulted by a transwoman in a changing room or toilet. Ever. (For those wondering in order to undermine my position, yes I have been a victim of male sexual aggression in the past).

However, if my daughter and I will be in a changing room with a male-presenting person, with a beard and obvious upper body strength, I am sure we will feel a flutter of nerves. Thanks to the "success" being celebrated over the court victory, that is apparently fine now as long as they are a trans man. They might be a trans man, doing exactly what the anti-trans people on here want i.e. matching the changing room to the sex they were allocated at birth. They might be a cis man, who now has an additional lie they can use to justify their presence. I am certainly not going to ask which one they are! I will "just" feel fear that the anti-trans brigade have caused, apparently on my behalf as I was born a woman. Thanks (sarcasm).

I do appreciate that the trans man will almost certainly not want me to feel that fear, but they will be doing "what is right" according to those arguing for the law change. I am not one of those idiots that equate trans with pervert or sexual predator.

OP, know that I support your right to live your truth as you see it, and I am so sickened by the court decision and the jubilation over it.

JazzyJelly · 18/04/2025 19:51

I'm sorry you're scared of being assaulted again OP, and I'm sorry that happened to you. But you should never have been using female single sex spaces, and it's the height of misogyny to do so. I hope the other men are tolerant and accepting of you in male spaces.

SpidersAreShitheads · 18/04/2025 19:51

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 19:43

This is one of my points too.

Many of us have been abused by a man. They don’t usually put a dress on to do it. Frankly that seems like a lot of effort to behave in a way that they do anyway.

When women are raped and attacked in parks or in fact their own homes, I think trans people in toilets are the very least of our worries.

There has been a huge number of sexual attacks on women, carried out by transwomen, in private spaces.

This list is just some of those attacks.

This list is just some of perpetrators - with all of their female victims having suffered from the thing that trans allies claim would never happen.

Images attached.

So how do I live in the female gender?
So how do I live in the female gender?
So how do I live in the female gender?
Needlenardlenoo · 18/04/2025 19:51

In a mixed sex ward or a single room I guess?

MyShiningTigerLight · 18/04/2025 19:51

Accusations of bigotry - there are many women and children who have been abused by their trans partner.

I’m so sick of the knots people tie themselves into to avoid the regular stories of TW implicated in sex crimes towards women and children - and of course I’m not saying that all TW are a risk, but we’re allowed to say we want safe spaces away from men, that’s wholly accepted, but why can we not ask for the same when it comes to TW when evidence points towards them committing more sex crime than other men?

viques · 18/04/2025 19:52

viques · 18/04/2025 19:45

It was hypothetical scenario, you know, like the ones you made up so we would know how caring you are. And yes, in many amateur leagues there are very flexible age ranges so it is perfectly possible for a 16 year old ( not 13 as you seem to think I wrote) to play with and against 30 year olds.

Edited

Sorry it’s a DM link.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13897999/Transgender-footballer-boycotted-players-womens-league-plotting-return.html

Transgender footballer boycotted by players plots return

Francesca Needham, 31, drew media attention last year after teams in Sheffield and Hallamshire Women's League refused to play against her due to 'safety' reasons after she broke a players knee.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13897999/Transgender-footballer-boycotted-players-womens-league-plotting-return.html

SleeplessInWherever · 18/04/2025 19:53

SpidersAreShitheads · 18/04/2025 19:51

There has been a huge number of sexual attacks on women, carried out by transwomen, in private spaces.

This list is just some of those attacks.

This list is just some of perpetrators - with all of their female victims having suffered from the thing that trans allies claim would never happen.

Images attached.

Do the list of women attacked by non-trans identifying males.

I haven’t seen it, but my assumption is it’s longer.

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