So how do I live in the female gender?

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There are 8834 people in the UK who have a Gender Recognition Certificate.
I am one of them.

To get it, I had to show evidence of transition, surgery etc. Lots of hoops

I also had to swear a Statutory Declaration. I had to go to a Magistrates Court and swear a legal declaration in front of a magistrate. It was all very formal.

I had to swear this:

" have lived as a (insert ‘male’ or ‘female’ as appropriate)
throughout the period of years before the date of this statutory
declaration and I intend to live in that gender until death."

This declaration is legally binding. Apparently if I don't follow this, I can be done for perjury.

So...how do I live as a female and live in that gender until death - I have sworn to do this in front of a magistrate.

I was very surprised that so few trans people have Gender Recognition Certificates.

You've had one attack and we're attacked daily if we don't buy into it. As hard as it is for you and I do believe it is hard your feelings do not trump biology. We have no problem with trans women until they start barging into our spaces and doing a Dylan Mulvany. Take Blair White she is amazing but as for blending in and not being seen as male by others unfortunately you are male and women will see you as a threat. 1 in 2 women have suffered sexual violence we have more chance of being raped then getting cancer. Genuine Trans women have never been the issue to us however you have been hijacked by the most misogynistic movement in history. And the compassion we have always had for you guys has been utterly destroyed by ideology sending predators into our safe spaces and subpar sportsmen into our sports. Unfortunately you will always be biologically male and no amount of blending in will change that. Stonewall has utterly destroyed any chance of you being excepted as a woman with this lunacy. Most trans male teens are the victims of abuse or have gotten caught up in the ideology pushed in our schools. They don't need to teach someone they're in the wrong body I can guarantee you knew from an early age. Just be you dress and live as you wish just do not expect us to affirm your illness by allowing you into our spaces

Exactly

Its a

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You can never change that

I don't agree at all that this is an insignificant issue. Most women are very aware of the threat presented to them by men, and that once their private spaces are removed from them then they are at risk. Look at the Hierarchy of Needs; safety being one of the most fundamental ones. People need to feel safe and if men are in womens' spaces then women are not safe; that is why they have (rightly) fought so hard on this. Safety comes before almost everything else, even equal pay.

This has all made me very cynical now. My eyes have been opened to just how little womens' feelings and views are presumed to matter, and it is an ugly sight. I have seen how readily their hard-won gains can be stripped away, without any consultation or debate.

And I thoroughly resent the suggestion that it is womens' faults for 'accepting' inferior treatment; rather than that it being due to the tenaciousness of the patriarchy. You state, correctly, that things have got worse for women over the past decade or so. I do not accept though that the supposed failure of women themselves to fight back effectively is to blame.

To be clear I don't bear any ill will toward trans people and don't agree with the lazy stereotyping of anyone; however I do think that this situation is just the latest manifestation of profound and widely-held disrespect for women in society.

Was it definitely a man, or a woman with a penis? It’s just that recently and local to me, a woman with a penis has been in court accused of rape. The judge said “she raped the victim with her penis”.

Can you be sure your assailant was a man?

But that’s not true. Trans people hardly feature on any crime statistic as perpetrators. They are, in fact, four times more likely to be the victim of a violent crime. A quick google and you can find out for yourself.

Everyone seems very angry. The OP asked a question. No need to pile on. So biologically most of us are strictly female or male. Great, but if the OP wants to “live as a woman” - because of course she could never biologically become one - what the fuck is wrong with that?

I really hope none of you who are so rigid, unkind and obtuse in their approach, being cynical and lacking any empathy, have friends or family that need support with their gender identity.
Why can’t we live and let live.
I really don’t feel that trans women existing, living their lives and joining in, takes away from my life, makes mine somehow more difficult or throws us back into the dark ages.

I have a client at work. She is a trans lady in her 60s. She’s wonderful. Loves to travel, comes in to just have a chat even when she doesn’t need my help with what I do for work that day. She does it because I treat her like I treat everyone else.

If you want to identify as a bomber jacket, just do it if it makes you happy. So long as you’re a decent member of society, we’ll get on.

Christ, I could go on. This thread is sad.

You have not been done over by the Supreme Court or by females asserting their rights. You have been used by TRAs, activists with their own agenda. At one time, women would have turned a blind eye but we gave an inch and they came and took a mile.

‘I don't want to be seen as male. Even though - as has been pointed out - that's the chromosomes and biology I was born with and had growing up.’

You still have the chromosomes and biology you were born with, and you always will have, there is no magic wand to turn you into a woman, no body modifications or hormones will change your natal sex. I know it’s not what you want to hear, but they are the facts.

Then use the disabled toilets sorry if I sound harsh but that's how it is

No, sorry, that’s no solution. At all.

I was bullied and beaten up regularly when young by boys for being different.

OP fwiw I have much sympathy for you although I believe the clarification of the law to be correct. I work in an artistic field which attracts men who are often at the more feminine end of the spectrum of maleness. Some are gay, some have experimented with living ‘as a woman’ and one or two have had a full surgical transition. Most simply want to live quietly as they are, some would genuinely be hard to tell from a woman. I have no idea how you or they will go about their lives now and it makes me sad tbh. Unfortunately the increasingly aggressive trans movement and trans activism have caused this to happen, not women themselves. The undermining of the conditions needed for a gender recognition certificate mean yours is now potentially worthless and I do believe legal action to cancel them is likely to follow. You are in such a difficult position, you have been let down by the activists and the stance of the Scottish government. I don’t know how a fully transitioned person who looks feminine goes from here. I expect that your friends, family and workmates will continue to accept you as you are and in other aspects of your life you will need to take heed of the law as it stands and understand that women must be kept safe.

Third and fourth surely!

Or just a singular gender neutral including facilities for others re families, disabilities etc. The numbers of Trans after all are so infinitesimal and the number of disabled people are increasing. The disabled need an increase in provision ( along with family groups )

As long as a building regs required upgrade doesn’t mean women have less toilets. We don’t have enough womens facilities in most public buildings anyway.

It’s a valid question. Now the Supreme Court have ruled that the word woman means biological, how can the terms of the GRC be adhered to given it says ‘live as a woman’. I’m not clear on the OPs motivation for posting here, but it does confirm the incompatibility between the GRC and Equality Act as we knew already.

Accessible toilets are mixed sex so would fall within the gender neutral area. Always have been.

Accessible toilets are not just for disabled people, they never have been.

See the building regs

If you haven't learned by now that being female is simply biology, and that women are just people living their lives, then try and take that from this thread.

Live your life as you. That's all you can do.

But biologically, I'm afraid, you are male. That's what medical professionals will use when they are assessing you and treating you. That's what your genetics say. And society will see you as a TW, meaning they will see you as biologically male, because those are the facts. You just need to accept that.

Fucking hell, so now disabled people who fought for years for an accessible place get their rights fucked over?

It isn’t hard or costly to get a GRC (https://www.gov.uk/apply-gender-recognition-certificate) and the commitment to “live as the opposite sex” has not been enforced on women with a GRC giving birth and men with a GRC fathering children…so no one is interested in ensuing the terms of the contract are enforced.

A GRC does not convey the rights of the opposite sex, just the right not to be persecuted for presenting in a non-sex-conforming way.

Women have been told if they don’t want to share spaces with men, to stay home. Trans activists chant that women who object should be “off our turf!”

As men are apparently not a threat to women, men are clearly not a threat to men, so there’s no reason a man should not use male facilities.

the key is to normalise gender non-conforming men being in male spaces not female ones. Men have some work to do!

So you do use women’s loos?

You don't. You live as you.

No please don't use the disabled toilets, they are for disabled people (a whole different thread).

‘Trans people hardly feature on any crime statistic as perpetrators.’

This is completely false, TIM’s commit sexual offences at a higher rate than men in general, Home Office statistics clearly show this that are also available on google.

People can’t change sex, women are being asked/bullied/intimidated into believing something that is fundamentally false as it benefits men. If you want to believe it and it doesn’t affect you then fill your boots, but please don’t come on here to berate those of us who are affected by it and choose to deal in facts rather than feelz.

The fact that you know a TW that you like is completely irrelevant, laws are not made to benefit individuals, they are made to benefit the majority. It’s obvious you don’t like it, but biological fact and the law supersede your feelings.

Then lobby for a 3rd bathroom BTW gender dysphoria perfectly fits a hidden disability due to it being a mental health disorder

Speak for yourself!
Is this really how you feel? I certainly do not.

Rather than trying to abdicate manhood and appropriate womanhood, I wish you had chosen to show society a man can be a better type of male.

It's one of the things I find most insidious about the more "feminist" (ahem) TRAs (not specifcally aimed at you here OP). They spount this rhetoric that by transitioning trans identifying people are somehow smashing the toxic masculinity demanded by the patriarchy, when what they are actually doing is reinforcing that patriachial construst of manhood, trans identifying men by agreeing if is that is what a man is then they aren't one, and trans identifying women by agreeing that if they don't enjoy the social constructs of womanhood then they can't be women.