So how do I live in the female gender?

[Definitelynamechanged123]

There are 8834 people in the UK who have a Gender Recognition Certificate.
I am one of them.

To get it, I had to show evidence of transition, surgery etc. Lots of hoops

I also had to swear a Statutory Declaration. I had to go to a Magistrates Court and swear a legal declaration in front of a magistrate. It was all very formal.

I had to swear this:

" have lived as a (insert ‘male’ or ‘female’ as appropriate)
throughout the period of years before the date of this statutory
declaration and I intend to live in that gender until death."

This declaration is legally binding. Apparently if I don't follow this, I can be done for perjury.

So...how do I live as a female and live in that gender until death - I have sworn to do this in front of a magistrate.

I was very surprised that so few trans people have Gender Recognition Certificates.

I think I saw this scene in the Barbie Movie

How do we look at the intent of someone's actions until they've carried out those actions?

If a man walks into the women's changing rooms after me, do I know their intentions before they carry out whatever actions they intended to do?

Or do I just have to wait and see whether they attack me, and then make a judgement on them? Because I'd really rather not have to wait for an attack before I'm safe. Doesn't work.

A trans man’s brain has XX chromosomes, just like the rest of their body, therefore they cannot have a body that does not ‘match’ their brain, @zackmills. Character/personality are not the same as biology.

A woman is someone with female biology and any personality/character, NOT someone with any biology and a feminine personality/character.

Any recommendations for a women’s friendly Bank ?

Then you probably just carry on as you’ve done for the last however-many years, not bothering anyone or anyone bothering you. This whole shit show arose because men decided that they could be women while retaining their beards, penises and misogyny, and demanded access to our spaces so they could validate themselves. We never minded quiet TW who just got on with life. Don’t blame women for the news coverage and the ruling, blame “women” with loud voices, beards and penises.

I think many trans women, especially those who have had full reassignment surgery will continue to discretely use women’s toilets without causing any alarm and without anyone else causing them problems either. We are a fairly live and let live society in the main.

BUT if someone male bodied decides to go into a communal women’s changing room and walk about naked in a way which makes others uncomfortable , women and the swimming pool will be confident they can legally require them to use a third space without having to worrying whether it might be discriminatory to the trans person.

Based on this I am a man and my husband is a woman.

I am the sole breadwinner. He is a stay at home dad. I despise housework... but I am sitting here typing this while wearing a dress with long hair and my husband is making my sons birthday cake. Does that make me non binary and him a woman?

You're missing the point and misdirecting from my post.

I am stating that transgender men, who are biological born females who transition and mostly have the appearance of men, were born with vag1nas. They are entitled as biological born females to use female changing rooms and safe spaces, but they look like men in appearance most of the time.

I don't understand what is going to happen when a trans man uses a female changing room, as is their right now, given they were born with a vag1na and might still have a vag1na but have the appearance of a man, as they are transgender.

Your husband's?

<hollow and fearful sarcastic laugh>

This is very curious and I'm rather sceptical about OP, whose title is a question about 'living as a woman' essentially, but then asks no questions at all and just lists loads of statements.

I can only think your transition was some years ago, OP, if you had to show evidence of surgery - that hasn't happened for years (if ever). I haven't read all the comments but I'd agree with what I can see of a lot of them: put yourself last at all times. Get a copy of Virginia Woolf's 'The Angel in the House' and learn how to sit in the draughty seat, take the last tiny sausage and be grateful, be pleased when anyone shows you any interest - you get the gist. Know your place.

How could any court hear a case about someone not living in a particular 'gender' when no one knows what that even means?

You are allowed to say the word vagina you know. It's not a dirty word.

It’s absolutely fine to say you identify as a female. I identify as a happy person sometimes. You are not and never will be a woman but you can walk around in dresses and make up, happy in the knowledge that you never have to have a period, face discrimination in the workplace and at home after you have your first child and accept that you are generally at the bottom of the pile for everything in life.

This.

Though I have concern for masc lesbians, who have already been facing challenges about if they are using the right toilet for years now.

Whole thing is a bloody mess.

They always had that right.
But what this illustrates is that instead of pushing for inclusion in same sex spaces, trans people and those campaigning for them should have focused on 3rd spaces.

I think a lot already do. If a trans woman feels unsafe using male toilets , a trans man will feel even more so.

Nothing is going to happen? They're women.

Those tubes they make from arm-flesh are not penises. Not biologically or functionally.

They don’t have the appearance of men, or only superficially. We won’t have any issue at all with them in our loos. Plenty of them use them anyway- they never stopped.

Live your life like anyone else - wear what clothes you like. But if you are a male then use male facilities. And don’t join single sex groups for women

I find this whole debate so confusing and nuanced and sad. I believe that women genuinely do need a safe space - especially in refuges and in prison. But I’m genuinely heart broken for you @Definitelynamechanged123 and what this ruling means for you and other trans women .
TBH if I were you I would carry on living as a woman.

It’s important to remember that very very few people “pass” as the opposite sex. Those that do, will fly under the radar, but we are likely to recognise a natal woman, as being a natal woman, regardless of superficial details.

You could equally say “ I don’t understand why a trans gender man suffering from acute psychosis should placed in a female mental health unit rather than in a male mental health unit” “I don’t understand why a trans gender man suffering from ovarian cancer should be treated on a gynaecology ward”. I dont think that any trans men own a working penis do they however much hair they have on their faces.

You often can't tell the difference between someone who is male bodied but is a transgender woman to a biological born female body, that's my point.

In reverse, a transgender man was born with the genitals of a biological female and is, according to this forum in majority, a female. Without x-ray vision you aren't going to be able to tell the difference between a biological female (woman, transgender man) and male with pen1s (transgender woman, but might pass as female in appearance and maybe has even had gen1tals reassigned and changed.)

People aren't thinking this through. How are you planning to enforce the rules? Call the police any time what appears to be someone who looks a bit masculine walks into a female changing room? What if they really just are one of us who sometimes don't make an effort and are a woman female?

We are judging people by how they look, but the truth is a lot of women females look masculine because there is no single way we can judge what a woman looks like. Some of us wear trousers, have moustaches that need threaded and have short hair.

What's the plan here? Are we going to have police check genitals upon entry to a safe space or female toilet?

I don't see any of this working, because women don't look like a single thing - and same for men, they don't look like a single thing either.

If you're a woman you must know it's fine to write the word 'vagina' on this forum. It's used often on the health forums here.

I'm fine with a woman using female loos even if she looks like a man.
She doesn't have a penis and I assume she won't sexually assault me .

You can also write PENIS without 'hiding it' by using a 1.

I think it must be some sort of evolutionary mechanism, we can detect what sex a person is very quickly. Even if they are trying to present as the opposite sex.
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