Has the US crossed the Rubicon? - Trump thread #142

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Here be dragons.

Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5307874-are-we-feeling-liberated-yet-trump-thread-141

As to protest I was talking to my 25 year old ds the other week about the Spanish Civil War and the Jarrow March. Whether his generation could understand the idealism to go to Spain to fight the fascists (and those who joined to fight with the fascists as there were some) and those who walked for most of October 1936 from Jarrow to London. We didn't come to any real conclusion (unsurprisingly) but it's such a different world now. Maybe people just don't seriously believe they'll lose their liberty and freedoms and protections until it's too late? Maybe people are too comfortable now? Feel insulted by 21st Century life?

Obviously I'm pretty glad that Ds wouldn't want to join up and fight for an ideology....

Of course though some from the U.K. have joined up to fight in Ukraine.

Incidentally ds messaged me earlier about a mass shooting at a Florida university??? I haven't seen anything about it?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/17/fsu-tallahassee-florida-state-university-shooting

Yes, just making the news websites here. Thoughts, prayers, bullshit.

Apologies if this has been mentioned before and I’ve missed it. They’re now detaining people with US birth certificates as illegal aliens (I imagine the Hispanic name didn’t help, racism in full view again) https://floridaphoenix.com/2025/04/17/u-s-born-man-held-for-ice-under-floridas-new-anti-immigration-law/

I saw a little of the Oval Office today, at least five minutes when Trump was talking to Vance and Meloni was staring at the ceiling, fiddling with her papers and generally looking bored stupid. So rude and unprofessional.

I assume you mean Trump and Vance were rude and unprofessional? Just making sure as you never know on MN 😂

BBC says he’s planning to visit the UK in Sept. Fuck off Trump, we don’t want you!

Yep. Just seen the clip on Sky. I may have used some rather suggestive and spicy language and also hinted that he'd be better off pleasuring himself.
😇

https://bsky.app/profile/nickreeves.bsky.social/post/3lmzx7kfnpc2j

The USA has voted against a UN resolution on cooperation with the Council of Europe because it included the words "condemnation of Russian aggression against Ukraine"

Only 8 other states voted against:

• Russia
• Belarus
• North Korea
• Eritrea
• Mali
• Nicaragua
• Niger
• Sudan

Not surprising. So depressing.

Interesting that China abstained. They are walking the tightrope.

Yep, called it! He's going after E Jean Carroll again...

Look, I know there's a whole lotta crazy shit going on today, but apparently the DOJ is now trying to substitute itself as defendant in the E. Jean Carroll case ... again.I will try to explain how insane this is, but I'm pretty much gobsmacked. 🧵
bsky.app/profile/lizdye.bsky.social/post/3ln24je4omc2l

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd6j7jjpgy6o Van Hollen has managed to meet with Garcia and thank goodness he looks relatively well given the circumstances.

That news is as good as we can get at the moment. A great achievement by Senator Van Hollen.

I’m very surprised he managed to get the meeting to be honest. That’s some serious perseverance. If only all representative cared as much about their constituents.

Phrases dealing with climate, women and security have been rephrased in new NATO legislation, in a bid to avoid retaliation by the Trump administration.

"Green technologies” have allegedly been replaced with “innovative technologies,” while “climate” has been labeled an “operational environment,” another NATO official said. The officials were granted anonymity to discuss sensitive issues.
Meanwhile, any language around "gender" or "women, peace and security" is being avoided by officials who want to get things passed by all 32 member countries, including the U.S.
https://www.politico.eu/article/nato-downplays-climate-and-gender-language-to-appease-trump/

What I don't understand is this.

When he was shipped to El Salvador, the Administration admitted they made a mistake.
Now they are calling him an illegal MS-13 terrorist.
If they made a mistake as they said, he obviously isn't that.
They must have fabricated evidence to try and make it so.

I don't believe one word that comes out of their mouths to be honest

The repercussions on all Americans will be massive, whatever the outcome. I think the Senator may well be conscious that he is taking action not only on behalf of one of his constituents, but also against the illegal actions of #47, on behalf of the many, if you see what I mean.

I can't answer you, but your post raises another question I keep wondering about. HOW has he managed to ride roughshod over everyone and actually re-write the rules without any opposition or consequences?
I have found this, from 2020, which I think is still true. Screenshots from FB.

The basis of their 'evidence' is an interaction Abrego Garcia had with the police in March 2019. Judge Xinis has said evidence is not sufficient or reliable enough to prove that Abrego Garcia is a gang member.

The Justice Department released documents for a March 2019 encounter Abrego Garcia had with local police at a Home Depot in Hyattsville, Maryland, just outside of Washington, D.C. At the time, Abrego Garcia’s lawyers said he was seeking work as a day laborer.
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The case set off a chain of events that culminated in him being turned over to Immigration and Customs Enforcement and accused of being MS-13.
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According to the redacted Gang Field Interview Sheet, Prince George’s County Police officers responded to the Home Depot and found four men loitering in the parking lot and detained them for questioning. Abrego Garcia was among them.
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Police said they arrested two men identified as active MS-13 members and found two small plastic bottles with marijuana.
Abrego Garcia, police said, wore a Chicago Bulls hat and hoodie with rolls of money “covering the eyes, ears and mouth of the presidents on the separate denominations,” which they said indicated his gang allegiance.
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The report also relied on a confidential informant who indicated Abrego Garcia was an active member of MS-13 under the moniker “Chele” as part of the Westerns clique. His attorneys have said in filings that the Westerns clique — according to the Justice Department and the Suffolk County District Attorney's Office — is based on Long Island, New York, a state where Abrego Garcia has never lived.
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According to the report, police took about four hours to respond to the incident, detain Abrego Garcia and the other men, and file the Gang Field Interview Sheet tying Abrego Garcia to MS-13, as his lawyers have said.
At the time, his attorneys said they tried to obtain more information on the allegations, including contacting the Prince George’s County Police detective who authored the report. Ivan Mendez, the former detective who made the report, was suspended from the police department days after Abrego Garcia's arrest.
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After Mendez pleaded guilty to misconduct, local prosecutors placed him on a "Do not call" list because they deemed him an unreliable witness, as USA TODAY found in court records.
eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/17/white-house-gang-domestic-violence-abrego-garcia/83142208007/

OMG, thank you! So so true. It is and always has been about 'owning the libs'. When I stray on to Twitter and if sometimes someone finds one of my posts, and it's a rabid MAGAt, I cannot believe the hate coming out of their mouths. I could repeat what I have been called but I imagine MN have a tool for picking up on such slurs and I don't want to be banned. But it is just disgusting. I just block block block.

The only way that they will change in any way shape or form, is if they are hit in their pockets. Hard. Of course they won't become dreaded Libs, but they might think twice and not vote or something.

I am going to read that again and save it to my laptop.

Quite ironic that the obfuscation beloved of the MAGA mob is being used against them.

Trump is ready to give up on ending the war in Ukraine.

Rubio: 'We're not going to continue with this endeavour for weeks and months on end. So we need to determine very quickly now, and I'm talking about a matter of days...If it is, we're in. If it's not, then we have other priorities to focus on as well."' https://kyivindependent.com/us-ready-to-abandon-russia-ukraine-ceasefire-efforts-rubio-says/

With friends like that ....

Cowardly Fuckers.