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Why the hell do SOME mums feel they can say anything they like to a daughter and be so critical ?

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Mycatisanevilgenius · 04/04/2025 10:50

Why on Earth do they do it ?

it is because they see her as some sort of extension to their self so they can be as mean to her as they are themselves ?

just been out with a friend and we took her mum along, straight away the mum says to her, oh you need to cover your knees, they dont look good as you get older oh and your arms …

Then said oh you need to make sure your moisturising your neck while pulling a 🤨🤨face

seriously I bet she’d never say that to another person

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NeedWineNow · 04/04/2025 17:38

My mum has never held back in saying what she thinks. Thankfully she’s rarely said anything about my appearance but if you do something that she doesn’t approve of then by God does she let you know it.

She took it as a personal slight when we changed our sofa as she liked the old one!

I had a real go at her when I was choosing my wedding dress - I was selecting some styles to try on and she didn’t like one of them and let me know it quite forcefully (ahem) which embarrassed me and the lovely sales assistant. I got her in a corner and told her her fortune in no uncertain terms.

She elderly and lonely, and I think may be starting to have some concerning symptoms, but she talks to me sometimes as if I’m a child. She can be incredibly cutting and upsetting.

User14March · 04/04/2025 17:39

@ADifferentSong my mother was told to do this religiously post baby by Doctor & not to get above a low BMI weight, ever! Every time you wash up hold that tummy in! So maybe done to them (?) Not that it excuses…

’Letting yourself go’ a crime.

spicemaiden · 04/04/2025 17:41

I’ve no idea but no contact is a fabulously freeing solution

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

SquashedMallow · 04/04/2025 19:16

spicemaiden · 04/04/2025 17:41

I’ve no idea but no contact is a fabulously freeing solution

I wouldn't necessarily knock that idea

But I do think it depends on the intent. My mother caused a lot of harm to my self esteem through the cutting and shallow comments. I'd be a liar if I denied that.

But, I do honestly think there wasn't malice in it. I believe it was ignorance mainly. Times were very different, and women /girls were raised to be "good wife material" (as vomit inducing as it seems now) I think particularly in more working class families (which mine was). I think there was almost an element of seeing it as 'helping me'!?. I held onto the resentment for a lot of years. But In the end , it began to poison me. Since I've let it go (to the best of my ability) I'm freer and happier. My mum also does a hell of a lot of good, and she did praise me also as a child. It wasn't all hideous put downs.

I know that isn't true of everyone that received that kind of mothering, but i do reckon there's probably a good proportion like my mum , "well meaning but ignorant ". No contact might not always be the most rational response.

WowIlikereallyhateyou · 04/04/2025 19:26

Mines a treasure too! Growing up i was never allowed short skirts because i apparently had fat legs, at a size 8 i certainly didn’t! She would try to control what did with my hair, and still had comment to make about it when i was 40. She is a generally unpleasant human being, narcissistic and now when she comments that she likes something i am generally put off wearing it as she has zero taste! 🤣😂

SquashedMallow · 04/04/2025 19:42

User14March · 04/04/2025 13:57

My granny thought there were standards to maintain & going out looking slovenly with bitten nails & a stained tracksuit for lunch etc not on. There’s a line, is this the wrong attitude? She was an elegant icon who never commented on looks or weight but poise, yes & appropriateness of dress.

No there's nothing wrong with that. She was promoting pride and self respect. That's a great standard.

I think on this thread we're more talking about mother's criticizing pubescent daughters for body shape etc , hair colour, height- things they literally cannot help.

In my example and the 'ham hock legs / stocky legs/thunder thighs ' I was not "fat" - I was a size 8-10. Anyone who's pear shaped will know there is not a damn thing you can do about the shape of those tree trunk 'pear' legs. Those legs are a cruel bloody affliction. But it's not due to weight/eating/ greed. It's literally body shape !!! Same way a lithe apple shape will always have that little belly pod and bigger boobs than sometimes they'd like. The problem is with the pear shape, you can't "hide" the fucking legs (in summer) unless you wanna be boiling hot 😭.

Anyway, tangent! Point being : there's a difference between standards like dressing in dirty clothes and a mother polite pointing that out for your own benefit. Or even if a daughter was very overweight, nothing wrong with broaching it in a sensitive way for the right reasons. But telling a pear shaped girl off for not having long slender legs is not on the same level.

Zov · 04/04/2025 22:52

Gawd there are some horrific stories on here - but sadly not uncommon. Some mums DO think they have the God given right to speak like shit to their daughters, and criticize them, and to an extent aunties do it too. (And sometimes grans.)

My mum (born mid 1930s) was horrifically critical of everything I did, and always had something to say about my weight. (I was born 1960s...) A couple of aunts were the same (one was dad's sister, one was mum's sister.) I was also told in my teens, that I'd 'never get a man' if I didn't slim down. (I was 11 stone and size 14 in my teens and classed as a bit 'chubby.') As some posters have said, the main goal for most women pre 1980s was to get a man, get married, have children. Women who didn't (and they were very few back then) were classed as social outcasts, a bit odd, failures.... and they generally just lived with their parents forever... (Most of them.)

My mum bashed my choice of clothes, my hair, my make up, my car, my job, and said I looked like a 'dirty looking slut' when I dressed in a mini skirt and t-shirt on a summer night to go for a drink with friends when I was 19. I had lost 2 stone by then, and the outfit looked good!

She never had a good word to say about my DH either, slagging him off from the minute I met him, as he was 'only' a factory worker, and 'how's a factory worker's wage going to keep a family when you have children?' DH disliked her from the beginning, as she never gave him reason to like her, and because of the way she slagged me off, even constantly criticizing everything I did as a mother. She also started on my DD's weight, and I told her I was never bringing her back when she said 'she's getting fat!' when she was THREE years old, and just healthy, and a normal weight. Only the threat of not seeing her again shut her up.

When DH got a job in an office after retraining, she kept banging on about how he needs to go for manager and not be just an 'office bod.'

Funnily enough, I have no recollection whatsoever of her criticising my brother (7 years younger,) and he could never do any wrong. He was a lazy, workshy layabout who was always cadging money off my mum and dad, and on a number of occasions, she asked ME if had any money for him, as he was a 'bit strapped for cash right now.' By the age of 35, he had not worked for more than 3-4 years, and they were all odd jobs/unskilled labour. He left school at 16 (with no qualifications.) Mum enabled him though, by treating him like his shit don't stink.

As I say my aunts were the same, and idolised my brother, and slagged me off half the time I saw them. Sometimes my clothes, sometimes my weight, or anything they could think of really.

Also, DH's auntie and mum, seemed obsessed with weight, and mentioned to me several times that I better stay slim if I want to keep DH. I gained weight when I was expecting DD (obvs) and within several DAYS of having her, his aunt said 'you're a proper size aren't you? Size of a cow. You MUST breastfeed and get all that weight off you.' His aunt was worse than his mum, but his mum made barbed comments occasionally too. Again, NOTHING was said to the men! (DH has 2 brothers, and their wives got it too!)

I don't know if mums who had children post 1980s are like this now, but I certainly am not. I never want my DD to feel like the older women in my life made me feel when I was younger. I would NEVER speak to anyone the way they spoke to me. And unlike some others on here, I do NOT forgive them. Not even my mother. Her mother had quite a critical streak in her, and she was quite critical of my mum and my aunt, (but idolised their brother,) so it was clearly a case of 'monkey see monkey do' but they should have known how shitty it felt and not done it to me.

So no, I don't forgive her. (Or any of them.) The way I was spoken to and insulted and critisised when I was young - even a child - made me hugely insecure and angsty with really low self esteem and a desperation to be liked. And it made me vulnerable, and easily bullied, and easily used by people.

DH never knew his mum and aunt said stuff to me by the way, he was always out of the room when they said it. I know I should have said something but I didn't. I wish I had though...

My parents and DH's died in the first few years of this century by the way, and our mums made sour and barbed comments right up to their deathbed!

largeprintagathachristie · 04/04/2025 23:13

“Oh we’ve all got big hips in our family’” said my mother to me.
I had tried on a new skirt.
Think I was 16 years old and a size 8.
She was size 20.

Also bought my sister, in fact she hadn’t bought them but somehow had been given them, a three-pack of knickers that were umpteen sizes too big for my sister. DM just wouldn’t accept that they were too big and she had a very strong (bullying) personality. Eventually Dsis put a pair on over her clothes and the waistband practically came up to her neck.

luna2025 · 04/04/2025 23:17

Same
I disappointed her in every way, she never said she loved me or hugged me so I wonder why she had me when she hated me so much

”you’re so fat/ugly”
“look how slim I am next to you” (she was 6 dress sizes bigger)
”look how pretty X is”
”she’s very fat/slim/blonde isn’t she”
“god she looks awful” about anyone on TV

obsession with being looked at by other people, spent a whole meal telling me to pull my top down at the back as people were staring at my tattoos. I said no they’re staring at you keep ranting at me

AcquadiP · 04/04/2025 23:40

My aunt was like this, very outspoken and with no filters and all her barbed remarks ended with "like normal people."
For example, a few years ago, I came back from my second week's holiday at the coast, we were having a heatwave, the weather was glorious so I booked the following weekend and went back purely because the weather was atypically brilliant. My aunt's comment:
"Why can't you just have one holiday a year, like normal people."

I felt like saying "because the last time we had weather in Yorkshire as good as this was 1976; and "normal" people, including both of your sons, take at least two holidays a year; and because I work hard, it's my money and I choose how to spend it." But ofcourse, I sat there and said nothing because one of the family's matriarchs had spoken. And in my family at least, therein lies the problem because no-one every challenges these energy vampires.

I feel sorry for your friend being put down like that, it was totally unnecessary and unpleasant.

SquashedMallow · 05/04/2025 00:31

AcquadiP · 04/04/2025 23:40

My aunt was like this, very outspoken and with no filters and all her barbed remarks ended with "like normal people."
For example, a few years ago, I came back from my second week's holiday at the coast, we were having a heatwave, the weather was glorious so I booked the following weekend and went back purely because the weather was atypically brilliant. My aunt's comment:
"Why can't you just have one holiday a year, like normal people."

I felt like saying "because the last time we had weather in Yorkshire as good as this was 1976; and "normal" people, including both of your sons, take at least two holidays a year; and because I work hard, it's my money and I choose how to spend it." But ofcourse, I sat there and said nothing because one of the family's matriarchs had spoken. And in my family at least, therein lies the problem because no-one every challenges these energy vampires.

I feel sorry for your friend being put down like that, it was totally unnecessary and unpleasant.

Ahh, you've just triggered another classic! Yes I too got "why can't you be like normal people ?!" And other people of course , cousins, friends, siblings!!

I also was fair game to be the butt of barbed remarks from her quick tongued sister.

As others have said on this thread - I had a brother, and these comments wouldn't have been said to him. In fact, he was allowed to join in with the mockery.

I'm finding this thread both thereputic and triggering alike 😂

Mostly thereputic though to be honest, to see there is common themes and interlinked behaviours and reasons- makes me feel less like I was just "too sensitive"

PitaBreadIsTastyWithTuna · 05/04/2025 01:12

I have a 16 year old DD. She is one of my favourite people in the world. If we were at home and she tried on something that didn't suit her i would say. But to drag her down in public is unthinkable. I do also ask her what she thinks of my outfits and I get the same honesty. I would NEVER say that to her in public, I would compliment her on clothes that suited her and not say anything about clothes that didn't. No need to drag her down. I don't understand why you would? Surely as a a mum you should be her biggest cheerleader?

AcquadiP · 05/04/2025 01:17

SquashedMallow · 05/04/2025 00:31

Ahh, you've just triggered another classic! Yes I too got "why can't you be like normal people ?!" And other people of course , cousins, friends, siblings!!

I also was fair game to be the butt of barbed remarks from her quick tongued sister.

As others have said on this thread - I had a brother, and these comments wouldn't have been said to him. In fact, he was allowed to join in with the mockery.

I'm finding this thread both thereputic and triggering alike 😂

Mostly thereputic though to be honest, to see there is common themes and interlinked behaviours and reasons- makes me feel less like I was just "too sensitive"

😂

The problem is their idea of "normal" was "normal" thirty, forty or even fifty years ago
and yet they speak with such authority, don't they?
Another of her classics was much tut -tutting about us all having a mortgage, when we could just save up and buy a 🏠 for cash like "normal people." What?!
You're right though, the men in my family got off lightly, possibly because in my aunt's case, she needed them to do repairs in the house for her.

Shoezembagsforever · 05/04/2025 01:33

I adored my mum, who sadly passed away in 2022. But looking back she was very critical - so full of praise and compliments until I had children, but as soon as I entered the upper regions of a size 12 (where I’ve stayed!) she was quite critical of my weight, as if it was my mission to do my utmost to be the very best I could be again. It took its toll sometimes.

JandamiHash · 05/04/2025 01:45

This thread reminds me of this video - for anyone who wants a giggle about this subject.

https://youtube.com/shorts/rQ2mFLoPrHA?si=SkqSKAch7QOn3QAA

OneWiseSquid · 05/04/2025 02:39

I honestly think that many of the criticisms that older women have of younger ones they love, are things that have been said to them in their own youth. I also wonder whether a lot of the older women are somehow traumatised by their own memories and have been emotionally beaten senseless by the patriarchal system, with it's impact being that many of them are desperately trying to save their daughters from the same things, but not knowing how to achieve that.

People who have been bullied and mistreated themselves, especially over a lifetime, will not have the emotional or social resources to simply change their behaviour. Many mothers have loved us and taken great care, despite having made huge mistakes. Also, each generation looks outdated to the next and regardless of intent, many social norms now will be questioned in the future.

I am glad the world is safer for our daughters now.

I hope it can be safer for mothers and older women too, but separately if necessary! ☺

SquashedMallow · 05/04/2025 03:50

OneWiseSquid · 05/04/2025 02:39

I honestly think that many of the criticisms that older women have of younger ones they love, are things that have been said to them in their own youth. I also wonder whether a lot of the older women are somehow traumatised by their own memories and have been emotionally beaten senseless by the patriarchal system, with it's impact being that many of them are desperately trying to save their daughters from the same things, but not knowing how to achieve that.

People who have been bullied and mistreated themselves, especially over a lifetime, will not have the emotional or social resources to simply change their behaviour. Many mothers have loved us and taken great care, despite having made huge mistakes. Also, each generation looks outdated to the next and regardless of intent, many social norms now will be questioned in the future.

I am glad the world is safer for our daughters now.

I hope it can be safer for mothers and older women too, but separately if necessary! ☺

I do think you have a good point. I do agree to a large extent. Hence why , despite the damage the comments did at the time, I did ultimately forgive my mum . I genuinely just don't think she knew better. A lot of the time as you say, they're victims of their own experiences, but don't have ,or certainly didn't have, the modern insights to challenge their conditioning.

I hate all these class categories to be honest. But by my education level and job etc I'd now be considered "middle class". But I come from a very much working class family. Proper working class ! And I do wonder whether this culture of daughter "bashing" in order to "get a man" was more typical in working class families ? Just pondering really. No snobbery, as deep down I'll always consider myself working class really as that's where my roots are.

NatMoz · 05/04/2025 06:13

I get the remarks around my appearance, especially if i dye my hair red! 'you look like a 60 year old eastern European woman', 'those are lesbian shoes' etc.

I have a 3 year old but we don't stay in every second of the day. I have 2 days off with her per week so we go out to see other mums with same age children or gymnastics etc. At weekends we have activities planned. Sometimes i see friends solo! This riles my mum up as I'm 'always out' neglecting my family. Leaving my poor husband to fend for himself. She likes to remind me that she never went out for 11 years after i was born and I'm not allowed to forget it!

Won't babysit because again if they didn't go out for 11 years then why should i!

Commonsenseisnotsocommon · 05/04/2025 06:27

As much as she shouldn't have to, it's important that your friend deal with her dm herself and call it out in the moment. I had a grandmother who made awful comments at times and I used to pull her up with "that's not very nice, why would you say that to me?" She used to play the victim with everyone else but it let her know I wouldn't just accept it, no matter what her rank within the family. With my own dm I take the same approach and am quick to say when she's out of order. We are very close but as part of that she sometimes thinks she can be too critical so I have to quickly remind her to play nicely if she wants to continue any kind of conversation with me. Oftentimes we expect dms to be better than they are but laying put your own ground rules of engagement to them is an essential part of navigating the relationship when you're into your adulthood.

TheOliveFinch · 05/04/2025 08:11

Just thought of another favourite of my mum’s you look so awkward doing that , my crime being left handed

Bigearringsbigsmile · 05/04/2025 08:24

My mum is heading towards 90 and still tries it with me.
She'll say " your hair is very red" and now I reply " good! I paid a lot of money for it to look like that!"

I don't EVER remember her telling me I looked beautiful or that she was proud of me or anything positive really!

In fact last year, I was driving her somewhere and she said " you're very capable " snd I was really taken aback because it was a compliment.

But at the same time she has spent her entire life being unbearably harsh to herself and has lived a life so limited by her fear of what other people think, that I don't get angry with her anymore, just feel sad for her.

piscofrisco · 05/04/2025 08:25

My mum is also like this. Lovely in lots of ways and would do anything for anyone but simultaneously so critical. Odd in her case as she doesn’t especially take care of her own appearance but finds fault with everyone else’s, and also with anything that doesn’t meet her standards on what or how things should be done. Like others my self esteem is very low, and my confidence in making decisions is awful. I’ve got an unhealthy relationship with eating and I’m a massive people pleaser.
Ive rarely challenged it for myself. But she has now started on my DD’s, and I absolutely won’t have it for them. It’s really sad but I’ve cut contact with her quite a bit. She has been asked politely and then told firmly to cut it out on several occasions but she can’t seem to help herself so we have just elected to see her in small doses. She is very upset and angry about that and I see why, (and of course i feel bad about it), but she is making her own choices.

Poppymeldrum · 05/04/2025 08:28

I remember going to tesco and our local one started selling clothes

I had very little money,so would save up and buy maybe a pair of jeans or a top every 4/5 months when they had a sale on

I knew I was a size 14 but sizes vary between shops

She'd insist on 'helping' choose but would pick out a pair of jeans in a size 6 or a top in a size 20 and drag me to try them on

'OMG!YOU CANT FIT IN THOSE JEANS?ITS BECAUSE YOUR SO FAT AROUND THE HIPS!' or 'THAT TOP REEEAAALLLYYY SUITS YOU!ITS THE LACK OF TITS THAT LET YOU DOWN!'

Or another favourite was to go to a granny style shop,buy something that was hideous but waaayyy too big(her size),bring it home,give it to me and try to insist I wore it

(and would make me pay her back even though I couldn't afford it and didn't want it in the first place)

Then she'd get pissy when I refused to wear it,she'd take it back and wear it herself (free clothes)

It got to the point I refused to have anything to do with her when it came to clothes and just raided the local charity shops without her

Cue more meltdowns

She did try the sane stunts with teen dd but we both put a stop to it straightaway and she's never tried it with her dils as they would tear her apart

Thank god for nc

Wornouttoday · 05/04/2025 08:31

I had a friend who described her then 7 year old DD as a “little cow” and another who was critical of her 14 year old DD for having “chunky legs”. It broke my heart to hear these things. If your mum doesn’t “big you up”, who does?

These women are no longer my friends thank god.

OneWiseSquid · 05/04/2025 09:09

Insulting your daughters is dreadful!

I do think though, that part of it is to with inverted sexism, part class and also an element of protecting girls to some extent. Erroneous of coursr, but for some women, getting a man was the be all and end all, so it wouldn't do for them to be on the shelf!

Deliberate unkindness isn't okay, but I do think there are things that mothers may have thpught their daughters needed to hear, for their own sakes.

Some of the others are just unforgivable.